Discussion:
Apple Jumps the Shark with iOS 12
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Wade Garrett
2018-09-17 18:40:57 UTC
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Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.

What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?

Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?

Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.

Etc., etc., etc.

Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
--
I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world
will have a generation of idiots.
- Albert Einstein
Arlen Holder
2018-09-17 20:26:18 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
The betas were dismal on speed for example.

Let's see how the actual release fares, where in the beta
- Nobody got anywhere near the "claimed" speedups (not even close!)
- Many items were slower (some *much* slower)
- Benchmarks were "about the same" in most respects

To be fair, I don't see how just updating the iOS version will ever give
the kinds of patently unbelievable claims that Apple Marketing makes.

*Let's see if _any_ Apple speed claim is backed up by objective tests.*
Your Name
2018-09-17 21:00:43 UTC
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On 2018-09-17 18:40:57 +0000, Wade Garrett said:
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Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
<snip>

Those went out the window many years ago, about the same time the
"Politically Correct" nutters started getting into positions of power.
It's now the Nanny State where people have to be told, if not forced,
to do what's supposedly "good" for them ... of course, thanks to all
the silly "studies", what is good for you today will be bad for you
tomorrow, and then will be good for you again in an ongoing cycle of
"new data". :-\
B***@Onramp.net
2018-09-17 21:55:44 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
At the bottom of the announcement page it says "Learn More".
Click on it and read it.
The items you mention are a teensy part of this IOS.
Wade Garrett
2018-09-17 22:26:13 UTC
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Post by B***@Onramp.net
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
At the bottom of the announcement page it says "Learn More".
Click on it and read it.
The items you mention are a teensy part of this IOS.
...and the substance would be----what?
--
The fastest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-18 00:37:57 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Post by B***@Onramp.net
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
At the bottom of the announcement page it says "Learn More".
Click on it and read it.
The items you mention are a teensy part of this IOS.
...and the substance would be----what?
That it’s an iPhone and not a part of the Google invasion. All else builds
on that solid foundation.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 01:23:12 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
...and the substance would be----what?
*Proof positive there's nothing of any substance in iOS 12 all by itself*

MacWorld said that one of the best part of iOS 12 *isn't even in iOS 12!*
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3252034/ios/ios-12-features-release-date-and-how-to-install.html>

Verbatim, MacWorld said:
"The Shortcuts app is not included as part of iOS 12, but it's
one of the best features of this release."

Shortcuts is yet another kludge to the Siri app, as described here:
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3305334/ios/the-shortcuts-app-for-ios-12-is-now-availablemake-sure-you-grab-it.html>

BTW, Apple didn't even write it - they adapted Workflow, who wrote it.

MacWorld was very clear, stating numerous times, one of the best part of
iOS 12 is this app, which Apple didn't write, and, which isn't even in iOS
12, per se.

*Proof positive there's nothing of any substance in iOS 12 all by itself*
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-18 00:35:14 UTC
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Post by B***@Onramp.net
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
At the bottom of the announcement page it says "Learn More".
Click on it and read it.
The items you mention are a teensy part of this IOS.
I clicked past that stuff. iBooks got a revamp. Still limited on background
colors 😐. Kindle’s green background was surprisingly nice. Apple’s books
app is pretty good though. The new setup seems interesting from
organization, usage, and aesthetic standpoints. Still need more background
color choices, but not a dealbreaker.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 01:43:38 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
I clicked past that stuff. iBooks got a revamp. Still limited on background
colors í œíž. Kindle’s green background was surprisingly nice. Apple’s books
app is pretty good though. The new setup seems interesting from
organization, usage, and aesthetic standpoints. Still need more background
color choices, but not a dealbreaker.
*There's absolutely nothing of any import whatsoever in iOS 12.*
If there is, you could state what it is, and defend it as being a big deal.

According to MacWorld, there's absolutely nothing interesting in iOS 12.

The *order* below is that of MacWorld, which is *very telling*.
They start with meaningless and then get less meaningful from there!

1. Apple Maps, which isn't part of the OS - it's an app, was updated.
Duh. Apple Maps has a _lot_ of updating, so we'll be hearing that one
for decades to come (since Apple has never once made a best-in-class
app in the entire history of iOS that works outside the walled garden).

2. WTF? Easier sharing of the 3D graphics and animations used in augmented
reality apps. Whom are they kidding. This is the 2nd most important
feature?

3. WTF? Improvements to the Photos app. That's the 3rd most important
feature? Improvements to an admittedly historically crappy Photos app?
HINT: Number one feature: matching the design language of Apple Music and
the App Store. WTF? Does Apple think it's users are complete morons?

4. Yikes! Siri Shortcuts and Suggestions. Notice this isn't even *in* iOS
12 for heaven's sake. And yet it's listed as the number 4 "big deal".

5. A few Apple apps will be redesigned in iOS 12, some launching on the
iPad for the first time. Again, WTF? These are apps. They have nothing to
do with the operating system per se. Apps need improvement all the time.

6. Now comes the less important stuff (as if the above was important).
iBooks has been renamed
News apps actually finds news
Stocks app is prettier
Voice Memos saves to the iCloud
And it gets more and more meaningless from there.


*There's absolutely nothing of any import whatsoever in iOS 12.*

If there is, you could state what it is, and defend it as being a big deal.
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-18 02:05:56 UTC
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Post by Arlen Holder
Post by *Hemidactylus*
I clicked past that stuff. iBooks got a revamp. Still limited on background
colors 😐. Kindle’s green background was surprisingly nice. Apple’s books
app is pretty good though. The new setup seems interesting from
organization, usage, and aesthetic standpoints. Still need more background
color choices, but not a dealbreaker.
*There's absolutely nothing of any import whatsoever in iOS 12.*
If there is, you could state what it is, and defend it as being a big deal.
According to MacWorld, there's absolutely nothing interesting in iOS 12.
The *order* below is that of MacWorld, which is *very telling*.
They start with meaningless and then get less meaningful from there!
1. Apple Maps, which isn't part of the OS - it's an app, was updated.
Duh. Apple Maps has a _lot_ of updating, so we'll be hearing that one
for decades to come (since Apple has never once made a best-in-class
app in the entire history of iOS that works outside the walled garden).
2. WTF? Easier sharing of the 3D graphics and animations used in augmented
reality apps. Whom are they kidding. This is the 2nd most important
feature?
3. WTF? Improvements to the Photos app. That's the 3rd most important
feature? Improvements to an admittedly historically crappy Photos app?
HINT: Number one feature: matching the design language of Apple Music and
the App Store. WTF? Does Apple think it's users are complete morons?
4. Yikes! Siri Shortcuts and Suggestions. Notice this isn't even *in* iOS
12 for heaven's sake. And yet it's listed as the number 4 "big deal".
5. A few Apple apps will be redesigned in iOS 12, some launching on the
iPad for the first time. Again, WTF? These are apps. They have nothing to
do with the operating system per se. Apps need improvement all the time.
6. Now comes the less important stuff (as if the above was important).
iBooks has been renamed
News apps actually finds news
Stocks app is prettier
Voice Memos saves to the iCloud
And it gets more and more meaningless from there.
*There's absolutely nothing of any import whatsoever in iOS 12.*
If there is, you could state what it is, and defend it as being a big deal.
I’m not here for your silly obsessive pissing contest. I have a life.

This update was supposed to focus on making what is already there work
better and had some bug fixes. iBooks was far more than renamed. The
organization schema are different. Now books can be added to more than one
collection. That is a big deal (for me). Podcasts and Books are two
features I find important. Podcasts looks a bit different too.

The Ferrari Daytona was a sweet car. To change it too much, spinner rims or
a gaudy hood scoop, would be a travesty. Android is the kit car knockoff
used on Miami Vice until they bought a real iPhone (iOS 12 Testarossa)

Actually Android is AMC Pacer with broken windshield. It’s for the hoi
polloi so everyone can see inside the fishbowl.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 03:18:40 UTC
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I¢m not here for your silly obsessive pissing contest. I have a life.
In other words, you're not here for facts. Facts bore you.

*It's a sad day when renaming an app is a big deal in an iOS release*
You'd rather revel in your blatantly imaginary belief system instead.

The fact is that there is nothing meaningful in iOS 12. Period.
Every single review says the same thing. Every single one.

You can't find a *single* meaningful update in iOS 12 either.
You can't.

You know why?
HINT: It doesn't exist except in your imaginary belief system.

Hint: Renamiong iBooks is only a big deal to people like you.
- Books has been rechristened Apple Books,
- with a new design to match the App Store and Apple Music.
- A Reading Now section shows a preview of your book
- The store tabs for ebooks and audiobooks are redesigned too.

That's a big deal to you?
And you say you "have a life"?

Jesus. It's *easy* to please you Apple Apologists.
Rename an app and make it look like the App Store & you're satisfied.

*It's a sad day when renaming an app is a big deal in an iOS release*
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-18 03:40:34 UTC
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Post by Arlen Holder
Iขm not here for your silly obsessive pissing contest. I have a life.
In other words, you're not here for facts. Facts bore you.
*It's a sad day when renaming an app is a big deal in an iOS release*
You'd rather revel in your blatantly imaginary belief system instead.
The fact is that there is nothing meaningful in iOS 12. Period.
Every single review says the same thing. Every single one.
You can't find a *single* meaningful update in iOS 12 either.
You can't.
Books is meaningful enough to me.
Post by Arlen Holder
You know why?
HINT: It doesn't exist except in your imaginary belief system.
Hint: Renamiong iBooks is only a big deal to people like you.
- Books has been rechristened Apple Books,
- with a new design to match the App Store and Apple Music.
- A Reading Now section shows a preview of your book
- The store tabs for ebooks and audiobooks are redesigned too.
That's a big deal to you?
And you say you "have a life"?
Jesus. It's *easy* to please you Apple Apologists.
Rename an app and make it look like the App Store & you're satisfied.
*It's a sad day when renaming an app is a big deal in an iOS release*
Actually using the Books app instead of reflexive Apple bashing as you do I
can say the Books revamp is a big deal. But that’s a matter for Apple users
to be concerned with and beyond comprehension of Obsessive Reflexive Apple
Bashers. You are the religiously motivated one here. Your religion needs
its hassatan...Apple. Without Apple your life would lose all purpose. You
would lack your bizarre moral crusade. You would wither away. Sad life
that.

That said the Kindle app has some aspects that are better than Apple’s
Books (eg- more background colors). Other aspects not so much. YMMV. And
that acronym is the crux of the matter. And in your never-ending passion
play you bear your Apple Bashing cross as the locals beat you and put a
crown of thorns on your head. Such unwavering devotion to a cause. Your
tombstone years from now will read “He hated Apple iOS so much.” Such a sad
way to sum up a misspent life.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 03:52:06 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
Without Apple your life would lose all purpose. You
would lack your bizarre moral crusade.
You hate the fact that there is nothing useful in iOS 12.

I have been on Usenet for decades, where the Imaginary Belief System of
Apple Apologists has unilaterally caused tremendous frustration to many.

My main goal here is patently simple.
*Facts*

The Apple Apologists *hate facts*.

All I ever do on this newsgroup, is state facts.

And you hate me for that.
I know that.

*Facts don't have any place to fit in your wholly imaginary belief system.*
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-18 04:07:47 UTC
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Post by Arlen Holder
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Without Apple your life would lose all purpose. You
would lack your bizarre moral crusade.
You hate the fact that there is nothing useful in iOS 12.
You deleted the part where I discussed the revamping of the books app.
Dissonance?

Your statement that there is nothing useful in iOS 12 is pure BS.
Usefulness carries over from iOS 11 and previous versions. That refutation
was a cake walk. There’s some weird “Measure” app that has a level function
and measures objects using the camera. Someone might find that useful.
Second refutation handing your ass back on a platter. That was easy.

There is an obnoxious explanation on the Lock Screen telling me how “Do Not
Disturb” works. That sucks for me. Didn’t see that before. Annoying. I
guess some dimwit might find *that* useful. Not me.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 14:22:49 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
You deleted the part where I discussed the revamping of the books app.
Dissonance?
You Apple Apologists hate when I don't play your incessant silly games.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Your statement that there is nothing useful in iOS 12 is pure BS.
You named an app, for heaven's sake. An app? A silly stinking little app.
Most of what was in that silly stinking little app was window washing.
And MacWorld stated it clearly.
It was dressed up.

To you Apple Apologists, two things are obvious:
1. You think a silly stinking little app is an entire operating system,
2. If that tiny little almost meaningless app is dressed up, you're wowed.

HINT: It's a silly stinking little app for Christs' sake. Not an OS!
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Usefulness carries over from iOS 11 and previous versions.
As you are aware, Apple never tests their iOS releases in the real world.

You could move a tiny increment from iOS 7.0.0 to 7.0.1 and that will break
everything you have set up for cross platform use in the real world.

*Ask Apple Support for help & they say the real world is "not supported".*

Apple has many times had to *destroy* iOS only days after release!
They had to beg customers to get off of releases they knowingly released
only 10 days prior for heaven's sake.

Those are facts.

*Apple does not test their iOS releases in the real world.*
That's a fact.

In addition, Apple is known to secretly throttle CPUs in IOS updates.
That's a fact.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
That refutation
was a cake walk. Thereÿs some weird ŽMeasure¡ app that has a level function
and measures objects using the camera. Someone might find that useful.
Someone might find a simple stupid silly app useful, I agree.
But you Apple Apologists don't seem to comprehend the simplest of facts.

HINT: *A silly stinking little app is not an operating system!*
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Second refutation handing your ass back on a platter. That was easy.
What's amazing is that you argue with adults like a fifth grade child.
You actually *think* that a silly stinking litte app, is an OS!

For Christs' sake ... learn what an operating system is.
Jesus.

*Are you Apple Apologists really _that_ stupid on what is an OS?*
Post by *Hemidactylus*
There is an obnoxious explanation on the Lock Screen telling me how ŽDo Not
Disturb¡ works. That sucks for me. Didnÿt see that before. Annoying. I
guess some dimwit might find *that* useful. Not me.
The problem I have with you Apple Apologists is that facts befuddle you.
I'm only here to state facts.

I've never once stated an incorrect fact (joe's silly semantics aside).

You don't seem to comprehend even the _simplest_ of facts.

That's how I know you're an Apple Apologist.
HINT: An app is not an Operating System.

It's just an app.
Thousands of apps get updated every day for Christs' sake.

*An OS release note should contain more substance than renaming an app.*
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-18 14:58:31 UTC
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Arlen Holder <***@nospam.net> wrote:
[snip]
Post by Arlen Holder
That's how I know you're an Apple Apologist.
HINT: An app is not an Operating System.
An OS should operate unperceived in the background. An OS facilitates apps
as a platform. Apps are really where it is at. What is Windows without word
processing and browsing? Why must there be a drastic life changing changing
of the feature set every year. If Apple had made major changes I could
imagine you would bash that too.
Post by Arlen Holder
It's just an app.
Thousands of apps get updated every day for Christs' sake.
*An OS release note should contain more substance than renaming an app.*
There were security updates. And some improvements in visualization of
battery usage. And I use my iPhone as I did before updating to iOS 12
because I can. Your protests are pointless. Life goes on unabated.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 15:41:06 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
An OS should operate unperceived in the background.
This is your first adult post in this thread, so I'll treat you as an
adult.

Agreed on the concept, but it's just a generic aphorism of no substance.
We want substance in iOS 12 - not meaningless axioms.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
An OS facilitates apps as a platform.
Agreed. But that's a meaningless platitiude. Where's the beef?

If I wanted meaningless cliches about iOS 12, I'd be quoting Apple
MARKETING blurbs back to you.

But I care about meaningful facts - not meaningless proverbs.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Apps are really where it is at.
That statement is a psueomeaningful statement which appeals to morons.
Read up on what pseudomeaningful bullshit is all about!

Study Finds People Who Fall For Nonsense Inspirational Quotes Are Less Intelligent
<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pseudo-intellectual-profound-bullshit-study_us_5661acb4e4b079b2818e4020>

To claim that 'apps are where it's at' is fine, since it's a completely
meaningless adage - but to claim that an app is an os is childish.

*Your statementd prove your mind reeks of childish thought processes.*
All I want from you, Hemidactylus, is to state meaningful facts about iOS.

Let's see if you _can_ act like an adult.
HINT: Your pseudoprofound statement of "apps are where it's at" is BS.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
What is Windows without word processing and browsing?
Hemidactylus, I'm fully cognizant of your pseudoprofound statements.

Instead of playing incessant pseudoprofound games, tell us something
meaningful that iOS added in iOS 12 that wasn't there before that enables
anything that is meaningful to most users.

Just one thing.

HINT: You can't even list a single OS _fact_, can you?
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Why must there be a drastic life changing changing
of the feature set every year. If Apple had made major changes I could
imagine you would bash that too.
Hemidactylus ... you just proved how your mind works with that statement.
All Apple Apologists prove they live in imaginary worlds with their words.

Instead of making incessant meaningless pseudoprofound statements, why
don't you simply name a *single* meaningful iOS improvement?

If you can't find a single meaningful iOS improvement (Hint: You can't.),
then why can't you Apple Apologists simply admit the facts?

I admit facts about Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS all the time.
That's because I'm not an apologist.

*Why can't you Apple Apologist simple admit the facts about iOS 12?*
Post by *Hemidactylus*
There were security updates. And some improvements in visualization of
battery usage. And I use my iPhone as I did before updating to iOS 12
because I can. Your protests are pointless. Life goes on unabated.
More bullshit from you Hemidactylus,

What "security updates"/

Name one meaningful security update, Hemidactylus.
Just one.

HINT: The throttling of the CPUs was billed as a "performance update" for
Christ's sake.

Every time you Apple Apologists post, you prove your thought processes are
that of small children.

*You are full of meaningless bullshit - but nary a single meaningful fact.*
joe
2018-09-18 17:25:57 UTC
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Post by Arlen Holder
Instead of playing incessant pseudoprofound games, tell us something
meaningful that iOS added in iOS 12 that wasn't there before that enables
anything that is meaningful to most users.
Just one thing.
One could start with "It supports the new phones."

Otherwise go to the Apple page that describes iOS 12,
https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12/, and look to see if anything there
matters to you. If not, then don't upgrade.

It is not up to you to decide if something is useful to most users. It
is up to the individual users.

That most users do upgrade to the latest iOS indicates they find
sufficient reason to do so.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 22:26:51 UTC
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Post by joe
One could start with "It supports the new phones."
Since this is an adult comment, I'll treat you as an adult, joe.

The problem I have with people discussing iOS 12 is that the Apple
Apologists can't simply admit the truth about it.

I have no problem admitting the truth about Windows (e.g., it hasn't
meaningfully improved in decades), nor Android (the settings menu is a
disorganized mess), or Linux (it doesn't always have the software choices I
like), or ioS (it can't do what Android can do), etc.

*Why can't Apple Apologists simply admit the truth about iOS 12?*
Post by joe
Otherwise go to the Apple page that describes iOS 12,
https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12/, and look to see if anything there
matters to you. If not, then don't upgrade.
First off, it's well known that my iPads *stay* on the iOS version they
were born with, since I can easily prove that not only is there nothing of
any use normally in _any_ iOS update, but there is often bad stuff, not the
least of which is that Apple never tests whether their iOS updates break
connectivity to the real world.

The grandkids updated it once, and I had to hold myself back, since they
were so proud that they followed the Apple mantra like little lost sheep.
Post by joe
It is not up to you to decide if something is useful to most users. It
is up to the individual users.
It's an adult question to ask if there is anything of any meaningful import
to most users in iOS.

When the answer comes back that a silly stinking little app is the biggest
deal they can come up with, I have to think of what is inside their brain
that makes them think an app, for Christs' sake, is an iOS.

Apps are updated every single day, all day, every day - where the fact that
an app was renamed and make to look more like other apps is NOT an
operating system upgrade.

It's just not.

Only a child can't tell the difference between an app and an iOS.

(Unfortunately, there are a _lot_ of children on this newsgroup.)
Post by joe
That most users do upgrade to the latest iOS indicates they find
sufficient reason to do so.
I think most iOS users are sheep.
I think most iOS users don't see the real world issues I see.
I think most iOS users want Apple MARKETING to make them *feel* safe.
I think most users feel that Apple does what's good for them.
etc.

As a cognizant sentient adult, I don't harbor those fanciful illusions.
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-19 02:19:01 UTC
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Post by Arlen Holder
Post by *Hemidactylus*
An OS should operate unperceived in the background.
This is your first adult post in this thread, so I'll treat you as an
adult.
Agreed on the concept, but it's just a generic aphorism of no substance.
We want substance in iOS 12 - not meaningless axioms.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
An OS facilitates apps as a platform.
Agreed. But that's a meaningless platitiude. Where's the beef?
If I wanted meaningless cliches about iOS 12, I'd be quoting Apple
MARKETING blurbs back to you.
But I care about meaningful facts - not meaningless proverbs.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Apps are really where it is at.
That statement is a psueomeaningful statement which appeals to morons.
Read up on what pseudomeaningful bullshit is all about!
Study Finds People Who Fall For Nonsense Inspirational Quotes Are Less Intelligent
<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pseudo-intellectual-profound-bullshit-study_us_5661acb4e4b079b2818e4020>
To claim that 'apps are where it's at' is fine, since it's a completely
meaningless adage - but to claim that an app is an os is childish.
*Your statementd prove your mind reeks of childish thought processes.*
All I want from you, Hemidactylus, is to state meaningful facts about iOS.
Let's see if you _can_ act like an adult.
HINT: Your pseudoprofound statement of "apps are where it's at" is BS.
Post by *Hemidactylus*
What is Windows without word processing and browsing?
Hemidactylus, I'm fully cognizant of your pseudoprofound statements.
Instead of playing incessant pseudoprofound games, tell us something
meaningful that iOS added in iOS 12 that wasn't there before that enables
anything that is meaningful to most users.
Just one thing.
HINT: You can't even list a single OS _fact_, can you?
Post by *Hemidactylus*
Why must there be a drastic life changing changing
of the feature set every year. If Apple had made major changes I could
imagine you would bash that too.
Hemidactylus ... you just proved how your mind works with that statement.
All Apple Apologists prove they live in imaginary worlds with their words.
Instead of making incessant meaningless pseudoprofound statements, why
don't you simply name a *single* meaningful iOS improvement?
If you can't find a single meaningful iOS improvement (Hint: You can't.),
then why can't you Apple Apologists simply admit the facts?
I admit facts about Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS all the time.
That's because I'm not an apologist.
*Why can't you Apple Apologist simple admit the facts about iOS 12?*
Post by *Hemidactylus*
There were security updates. And some improvements in visualization of
battery usage. And I use my iPhone as I did before updating to iOS 12
because I can. Your protests are pointless. Life goes on unabated.
More bullshit from you Hemidactylus,
What "security updates"/
Name one meaningful security update, Hemidactylus.
Just one.
HINT: The throttling of the CPUs was billed as a "performance update" for
Christ's sake.
Every time you Apple Apologists post, you prove your thought processes are
that of small children.
*You are full of meaningless bullshit - but nary a single meaningful fact.*
You bore me.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-19 03:33:30 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
You bore me.
Correction to your innately childish response to facts, Hemidactylus.

*Facts bore you Hemidactylus.*

That's because you prove, in every post, you have the mind of a child.

Facts bore children, like you, Hemidactylus.

Fact is that only Apple Apologists will state anything useful in iOS 12.

And, even those Apple Appologists, can't actually _name_ anything.

That's a fact.
DachshundDad
2018-09-18 15:43:49 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 02:05:56 UTC, *Hemidactylus*
<***@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

snipped
Actually Android is AMC Pacer with broken windshield. Its for the hoi
polloi so everyone can see inside the fishbowl.
Hey, I loved the AMC Pacer, especially the wagon! It actually had
vent windows!
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Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 16:00:11 UTC
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Post by DachshundDad
Hey, I loved the AMC Pacer, especially the wagon! It actually had
vent windows!
The analogy between the AMC Pacer and iOS 12 is apropos.
nospam
2018-09-18 00:35:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
there's a lot of innovation under the hood. for one, it's *much* faster.
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
smartphone addiction is a very real problem.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
a lot of people care and there's nothing silly about siri shortcuts
either.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 00:52:19 UTC
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Post by nospam
there's a lot of innovation under the hood. for one, it's *much* faster.
Except that we already proved the beta tests proved it was not!
What's the actual tested performance improvement in iOS 12?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/cRiIKVHlLTE/AM62rmF8BQAJ>

*Facts don't fit into your belief system, nospam, but they're still facts.*
Erilar
2018-09-19 18:59:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by nospam
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
there's a lot of innovation under the hood. for one, it's *much* faster.
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
smartphone addiction is a very real problem.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
a lot of people care and there's nothing silly about siri shortcuts
either.
Siri makes worse and less intelligible errors than Spellcheckers. No
thanks.
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B***@Onramp.net
2018-09-19 19:34:55 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:59:45 -0500, Erilar
Post by Erilar
Post by nospam
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
there's a lot of innovation under the hood. for one, it's *much* faster.
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
smartphone addiction is a very real problem.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
a lot of people care and there's nothing silly about siri shortcuts
either.
Siri makes worse and less intelligible errors than Spellcheckers. No
thanks.
Really?
When was the last time you asked your Spell checker the local weather
or to give you a routing to a destination?
Erilar
2018-09-21 23:29:51 UTC
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Post by B***@Onramp.net
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:59:45 -0500, Erilar
Post by Erilar
Post by nospam
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
there's a lot of innovation under the hood. for one, it's *much* faster.
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
smartphone addiction is a very real problem.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
a lot of people care and there's nothing silly about siri shortcuts
either.
Siri makes worse and less intelligible errors than Spellcheckers. No
thanks.
Really?
When was the last time you asked your Spell checker the local weather
or to give you a routing to a destination?
I kill any spellchecker I encounter.
--
biblioholic medievalist via iPad
Leonard Blaisdell
2018-09-22 00:56:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Erilar
I kill any spellchecker I encounter.
Good for you! I wouldn't respect any biblioholic medievalist who needed
one.

leo
Your Name
2018-09-22 03:12:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Post by Erilar
I kill any spellchecker I encounter.
Good for you! I wouldn't respect any biblioholic medievalist who needed
one.
I wonder if that includes Penn & Teller who appeared as the Witch Exam
testers in 'Sabrina the Teenage Witch'. ;-)
B***@Onramp.net
2018-09-22 15:35:39 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:29:51 -0500, Erilar
Post by Erilar
Post by B***@Onramp.net
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:59:45 -0500, Erilar
Post by Erilar
Post by nospam
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
there's a lot of innovation under the hood. for one, it's *much* faster.
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
smartphone addiction is a very real problem.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
a lot of people care and there's nothing silly about siri shortcuts
either.
Siri makes worse and less intelligible errors than Spellcheckers. No
thanks.
Really?
When was the last time you asked your Spell checker the local weather
or to give you a routing to a destination?
I kill any spellchecker I encounter.
That's too bad.
Ant
2018-09-18 18:36:12 UTC
Permalink
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
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nospam
2018-09-18 18:38:02 UTC
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Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
it's a lot more than a maintenance update
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 22:40:14 UTC
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Post by nospam
it's a lot more than a maintenance update
Name a *single* OS-related meaningful improvement in iOS 12.

Just one, nospam.

If you can't name even one (and you can't), you're full of shit.
Your Name
2018-09-18 20:58:26 UTC
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Post by Ant
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.

Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 22:41:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Your Name
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.
The fact is that even Craig Fedeerighi is on record telling MARKETING he
can't deliver on their incessant blatant imaginary promises - and you know
that so I won't belabor the issue.
Post by Your Name
Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Bear in mind that even Craig Federighi has said that iOS is just a toy.
<https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-exec-craig-federighi-ipad-bad-computer-replacement-2018-6/>
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 22:44:35 UTC
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Post by Arlen Holder
Bear in mind that even Craig Federighi has said that iOS is just a toy.
<https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-exec-craig-federighi-ipad-bad-computer-replacement-2018-6/>
Oooooops. Typo. Craig said the iPad was just a toy - not iOS.

Same thing in the end though, which is that Craig is on record telling
MARKTING that their blatant incessant imaginary functionality claims has to
stop.

Hence, it seems he won out over Marketing since he clearly delivered minor
fixes in this current iOS 12 release.

There's nothing wrong with minor fixes in a release (Windows does it all
the time), but there is something _strange_ about Apple Apologists like
nospam who make wild claims of imaginary meaningful functionality.

Where is the meaningful new functionality in iOS 12?
HINT: It's imaginary.
Savageduck
2018-09-18 22:44:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Your Name
Post by Ant
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.
Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.

There are a few obvious UI changes such as the changes to VoiceMemos, and
Messages. Otherwise there is nothing here that is going to negatively change how
I am going to use my iOS devices.

BTW, neither of the iP6’s have had the batteries replaced, neither show any
degradation of battery condition or performance. Battery Health reports Maximum
Capacity 100% for both, and Peak Performance Capability for both.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 22:50:11 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5¡ to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12¡ thread intended to impart.
How did it work when you interfaced in the real world, e.g., to Linux?

HINT:
You haven't a clue since you live entirely ensconced in the walled garden.
Post by Savageduck
There are a few obvious UI changes such as the changes to VoiceMemos, and
Messages. Otherwise there is nothing here that is going to negatively change how
I am going to use my iOS devices.
While most of you Apple Apologists can't handle adult facts, you,
Savageduck, are in the middle.

Sometimes you're an Apple Apologist, and sometimes you say things that
actual adults would agree with.

The fact you said the truth about iOS 12, is not a trait of the Apologists.
Post by Savageduck
BTW, neither of the iP6ÿs have had the batteries replaced, neither show any
degradation of battery condition or performance. Battery Health reports Maximum
Capacity 100% for both, and Peak Performance Capability for both.
It would be interesting to see the benchmark scores (which is, after all,
how Apple got caught screwing the customer) and the iOS indication of
battery health.

Since Apple proved by their secret actions and then the instant coverup,
that they can't be trusted, it would be interesting to see if there is a
one-to-one correlation of actual facts.
Rod Speed
2018-09-18 23:20:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Savageduck
Post by Your Name
Post by Ant
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.
Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
There are a few obvious UI changes such as the changes to VoiceMemos, and
Messages. Otherwise there is nothing here that is going to negatively change how
I am going to use my iOS devices.
BTW, neither of the iP6’s have had the batteries replaced, neither show any
degradation of battery condition or performance. Battery Health reports Maximum
Capacity 100% for both, and Peak Performance Capability for both.
Interesting. My 6S is currently showing 85%. Its just over 2 years old and
most
weeks only gets charged twice a week when its got below 20%, sometimes
down to low single digit percentages. It’s the only one I use now and I use
it for everything. Maybe that’s why mine is worse than yours, you having 4.

It has lately seemed to run down quicker than it used to, but I have just
noticed that ShopFully is using it a lot and since I never use it, I have
just
deleted it and will see how that goes.

I have set a reminder to get the battery changed in
December before the cheap replacement runs out.
Savageduck
2018-09-19 01:00:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Savageduck
Post by Your Name
Post by Ant
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.
Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple
Jumps the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
There are a few obvious UI changes such as the changes to VoiceMemos, and
Messages. Otherwise there is nothing here that is going to negatively
change how I am going to use my iOS devices.
BTW, neither of the iP6’s have had the batteries replaced, neither show
any degradation of battery condition or performance. Battery Health reports
Maximum Capacity 100% for both, and Peak Performance Capability for both.
Interesting. My 6S is currently showing 85%. Its just over 2 years old and
most weeks only gets charged twice a week when its got below 20%, sometimes
down to low single digit percentages. It’s the only one I use now and I use
it for everything. Maybe that’s why mine is worse than yours, you having 4.
Actually it is only 3 iPhones, and one iPad Pro, not 4. The iP6S is my
step-daughter’s current phone. The iP6S+ is my functional spare which I
updated even though it is not in daily use.

My current working phone is the iP8+ which is in daily use. It is currently
showing 89% charge with 100% capacity.I usually charge it at night.

The spare iP6S+ is showing 100% charge, with 99% capacity.
*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-19 02:05:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Savageduck
Post by Your Name
Post by Ant
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.
Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
There are a few obvious UI changes such as the changes to VoiceMemos, and
Messages. Otherwise there is nothing here that is going to negatively change how
I am going to use my iOS devices.
BTW, neither of the iP6’s have had the batteries replaced, neither show any
degradation of battery condition or performance. Battery Health reports Maximum
Capacity 100% for both, and Peak Performance Capability for both.
Interesting. My 6S is currently showing 85%. Its just over 2 years old and
most
weeks only gets charged twice a week when its got below 20%, sometimes
down to low single digit percentages. It’s the only one I use now and I use
it for everything. Maybe that’s why mine is worse than yours, you having 4.
It has lately seemed to run down quicker than it used to, but I have just
noticed that ShopFully is using it a lot and since I never use it, I have
just
deleted it and will see how that goes.
I have set a reminder to get the battery changed in
December before the cheap replacement runs out.
My 7+ is at 85% after around a year and a half of use. I know other people
ranging from mid 80s to mid 90s. Thinking about when would be best to get
replacement and how much a PITA it will be. I seriously wonder how 6s of
any age and average use could be at 100%. That just sounds odd.
Savageduck
2018-09-19 02:44:15 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
Post by Rod Speed
It has lately seemed to run down quicker than it used to, but I have just
noticed that ShopFully is using it a lot and since I never use it, I have
just deleted it and will see how that goes.
I have set a reminder to get the battery changed in
December before the cheap replacement runs out.
My 7+ is at 85% after around a year and a half of use. I know other people
ranging from mid 80s to mid 90s. Thinking about when would be best to get
replacement and how much a PITA it will be. I seriously wonder how 6s of
any age and average use could be at 100%. That just sounds odd.
I just checked my step-daughter’s 3 year old, in constant use, iP6S with its
original battery, and it is showing Maximum Capacity at 92%, with current charge
at 85%.

My 3 year old iP6S+ which has been relegated to spare status shows Max Capacity
of 99%, and I check the charge once a month.
Lewis
2018-09-20 11:22:36 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
My 7+ is at 85% after around a year and a half of use. I know other people
ranging from mid 80s to mid 90s. Thinking about when would be best to get
replacement and how much a PITA it will be. I seriously wonder how 6s of
any age and average use could be at 100%. That just sounds odd.
My old 6 Plus is at 100%. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The smiles we wear upon our face blow by
David Empson
2018-09-21 01:48:41 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
My 7+ is at 85% after around a year and a half of use. I know other people
ranging from mid 80s to mid 90s. Thinking about when would be best to get
replacement and how much a PITA it will be. I seriously wonder how 6s of
any age and average use could be at 100%. That just sounds odd.
My old 6 Plus is at 100%. ¯\_(?)_/¯
My 6 Plus is at 82% but I don't believe that number: behaviour suggests
it is much worse. At times I've seen it visibly counting down 1% charge
every few seconds, when doing nothing in particular, e.g. declining from
over 70% to around 50% over a minute.

Coconut Battery on the Mac gives variable results, at times showing the
full charge capacity is just over 50% of the original value for that
model. (I've confirmed this by enabling power diagnostics and reading
the logs from iOS, so it isn't just Coconut Battery misunderstanding
something.)

That agrees with my observed behaviour, so based on a sample of one I'm
rather suspicous of Apple's battery health indicator. It may be missing
something like a faulty battery cell and only reporting the apparent
capacity at 100% charge, even though part of that charge is not really
there.

I'm going to get the battery replaced soon. It is no longer my primary
iPhone, but I want to have it available for demo purposes for the next
couple of weeks in its current state.


I checked with my local authorised service provider yesterday and they
can do the battery replacement in house (for my previous iPhone 5 a few
years ago the phone had to be sent from New Zealand to Australia for
battery servicing - we have no Apple Stores in NZ so that isn't an
option). I can book it in then drop off the phone when they have the
battery in stock.

I'll probably only be without it for part of a day, and if they are as
fast as they were with my MacBook Pro display replacement (for the
antireflective coating issue), I might not even have time for a cup of
coffee.
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Rod Speed
2018-09-20 01:28:23 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Savageduck
Post by Your Name
Post by Ant
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
Techncially it's the whining morons (especially those on Wall Street!)
who now expect a massive device and OS upgrade every year ... whther
that's iOS, macOS, etc.
Apple has already said that it will now slowing down those massive
upgrades to concentrate on fixing bugs and refiing what is already in
the OS. Every second year (at least) will be a "maintenance" upgrade.
Of course, the facts don't stop the whinging morons and know-nothing
Anti-Apple trolls from complaining.
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
There are a few obvious UI changes such as the changes to VoiceMemos, and
Messages. Otherwise there is nothing here that is going to negatively change how
I am going to use my iOS devices.
BTW, neither of the iP6’s have had the batteries replaced, neither show any
degradation of battery condition or performance. Battery Health reports Maximum
Capacity 100% for both, and Peak Performance Capability for both.
Interesting. My 6S is currently showing 85%. Its just over 2 years old and
most weeks only gets charged twice a week when its got below 20%,
sometimes
down to low single digit percentages. It’s the only one I use now and I use
it for everything. Maybe that’s why mine is worse than yours, you having 4.
My 6S is a 128GB tho, maybe that’s the reason for the difference.
Post by Rod Speed
It has lately seemed to run down quicker than it used to, but I have just
noticed that ShopFully is using it a lot and since I never use it, I have
just deleted it and will see how that goes.
I have set a reminder to get the battery changed in
December before the cheap replacement runs out.
Wade Garrett
2018-09-18 23:42:01 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.

The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.

Actually, about the same criticisms apply to the new over-hyped iPhones
too.

Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature product that are
approaching being a commodity like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks,
t-shirts, or flour.

I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels does your phone camera
really need?

What's next- an unlock app that recognizes your hand shape, fingernail
configuration and aftershave as you reach to pick up the phone so you
don't have to wait for that terribly slow fingerprint reader, facial
recognition app, or worse- tap in a PIN?

At a Labor Day barbecue, my brother-in-law told me that his lawn guy
said his ex-wife's hairdresser is balling a salesman who works for a
company that supplies electronic components to Apple in China.

That guy said he knows for a fact that the up-model of the iPhone XI
will have a proprietary fart-sensor- calibrated to just your gas. When
triggered, It will then unlock the phone, determine your precise
location, call the nearest gastroenterologist, make an appointment for a
stat consult, and then program your nav app to get you there.

He also said the iPhone XII will self-drive your car there too......
Savageduck
2018-09-19 00:44:23 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
Unfortunately FUD was the impress ion that was delivered.
Post by Wade Garrett
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.
Over-hyped perhaps. However, the last thing I need is some unwanted, and
over-hyped, bling feature. I prefer to have something truly useful, and subtle.

An example of a feature I find useful is one part of *Do Not Disturb*, the
*Until I Leave This Location* option. This is perfect for appointments where I
find myself in a dentist chair, or similar situations.
Post by Wade Garrett
Actually, about the same criticisms apply to the new over-hyped iPhones
too.
I am not thrilled with any of the X-Phones. I can live without FaceID. I am
quite happy with TouchID and I am comfortable with my iPhone 8+.
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature product that are
approaching being a commodity like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks,
t-shirts, or flour.
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels does your phone camera
really need?
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort, and
convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and lenses.
Rod Speed
2018-09-19 01:03:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this
"Apple
Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
Unfortunately FUD was the impress ion that was delivered.
Post by Wade Garrett
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.
Over-hyped perhaps. However, the last thing I need is some unwanted, and
over-hyped, bling feature. I prefer to have something truly useful, and subtle.
An example of a feature I find useful is one part of *Do Not Disturb*, the
*Until I Leave This Location* option. This is perfect for appointments where I
find myself in a dentist chair, or similar situations.
Yeah, and even better if it could work out when you
have used it to stop people waking you up. I do forget
to turn it off sometimes in that situation and it wouldn’t
be hard to work out when you have picked up the
phone again after turning do not disturb on.

Sure, that wouldn’t be useful in all situations, but
would be very useful when you use it when sleeping.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Actually, about the same criticisms apply
to the new over-hyped iPhones too.
I am not thrilled with any of the X-Phones. I can live without FaceID.
I'd like to have it added because then I wouldn’t have to fart
around with Touch ID when doing stuff like bank transactions etc.
Post by Savageduck
I am quite happy with TouchID
I'm not with stuff like banking.

But currently prefer it for ApplePay transactions.
Admittedly I havent tried using face id for long
enough with those to see if its just as easy to
take it out of the pocket move it past my
face to the terminal in one fluid action
so that its just as convenient as Touch ID
and much better for banking etc.
Post by Savageduck
and I am comfortable with my iPhone 8+.
Too big for me. I keep my phone in my front
jeans or shorts pocket and the 6S is already
too big to make it easy to take out of your
pocket when driving along and you get
an incoming phone call when you didn’t
expect to get one.

And I notice that they still havent fixed the
pain in the arse swipe to answer an incoming
phone call when the phone is easy to pick up
when driving, with iOS 12. Tho admittedly
I havent thought to try telling siri to answer it.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature
product that are approaching being a commodity
like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks, t-shirts, or flour.
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels
does your phone camera really need?
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is
a camera of last resort, and convenience. My photography
is done with far more capable cameras and lenses.
Mine is my only camera and the better it is the better.
Savageduck
2018-09-19 01:20:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'.
C’mon Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up
on innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much?
Whatever happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who
cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad
Pro 10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this
“Apple Jumps the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
Unfortunately FUD was the impression that was delivered.
Post by Wade Garrett
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.
Over-hyped perhaps. However, the last thing I need is some unwanted, and
over-hyped, bling feature. I prefer to have something truly useful, and subtle.
An example of a feature I find useful is one part of *Do Not Disturb*, the
*Until I Leave This Location* option. This is perfect for appointments
where I find myself in a dentist chair, or similar situations.
Yeah, and even better if it could work out when you
have used it to stop people waking you up. I do forget
to turn it off sometimes in that situation and it wouldn’t
be hard to work out when you have picked up the
phone again after turning do not disturb on.
I don’t actually use it at night, or when I am asleep, or napping.
Post by Rod Speed
Sure, that wouldn’t be useful in all situations, but
would be very useful when you use it when sleeping.
Post by Wade Garrett
Actually, about the same criticisms apply to the new over-hyped iPhones too.
I am not thrilled with any of the X-Phones. I can live without FaceID.
I'd like to have it added because then I wouldn’t have to fart
around with Touch ID when doing stuff like bank transactions etc.
I am quite happy with TouchID
I'm not with stuff like banking.
But currently prefer it for ApplePay transactions.
ApplePay is smooth, and simple with TouchID for me.
Post by Rod Speed
Admittedly I havent tried using face id for long enough with those to see if its just as easy to
take it out of the pocket move it past my face to the terminal in one fluid action
so that its just as convenient as Touch ID and much better for banking etc.
I have no experience with FaceID at all.
Post by Rod Speed
and I am comfortable with my iPhone 8+.
Too big for me. I keep my phone in my front jeans or shorts pocket
Cargo pants or a vest with a convenient pocket works for me.
Post by Rod Speed
and the 6S is already
too big to make it easy to take out of your pocket when driving along and you get
an incoming phone call when you didn’t expect to get one.
My iPhone is paired via BlueTooth to the system in my car. So it is hands free
available whether in my pocket, or attached to the magnetic mount on the dash.
Post by Rod Speed
And I notice that they still havent fixed the
pain in the arse swipe to answer an incoming
phone call when the phone is easy to pick up
when driving, with iOS 12. Tho admittedly
I havent thought to try telling siri to answer it.
I just push a button on my steering wheel.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature
product that are approaching being a commodity
like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks, t-shirts, or flour.
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels
does your phone camera really need?
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is
a camera of last resort, and convenience. My photography
is done with far more capable cameras and lenses.
Mine is my only camera and the better it is the better.
The iPhone is a great camera especially if compared with the point& shoot
cameras of the recent past. Those are a dying breed. Photographically, I just
have other needs, so I spend much more on cameras and lenses than I do on
iPhones.
Rod Speed
2018-09-19 01:52:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'.
C’mon Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally
given up
on innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much?
Whatever happened to self-control and personal
responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who
cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad
Pro 10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this
“Apple Jumps the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
Unfortunately FUD was the impression that was delivered.
Post by Wade Garrett
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.
Over-hyped perhaps. However, the last thing I need is some unwanted, and
over-hyped, bling feature. I prefer to have something truly useful, and subtle.
An example of a feature I find useful is one part of *Do Not Disturb*, the
*Until I Leave This Location* option. This is perfect for appointments
where I find myself in a dentist chair, or similar situations.
Yeah, and even better if it could work out when you
have used it to stop people waking you up. I do forget
to turn it off sometimes in that situation and it wouldn’t
be hard to work out when you have picked up the
phone again after turning do not disturb on.
I don’t actually use it at night, or when I am asleep, or napping.
I don’t either, but I do have it next to me, primarily because
I don’t use any light switches at all anymore. I use the Hue
system and tell it to turn the lights off at night before sleeping,
and get it to tell me the time and temperature when I wake
in the morning and to turn the main room lights on when
I get up.

With napping, I still have it with me, mainly to ask it the
time when I wake and to turn the do not disturb off.

So it would work fine for me if it turned the do not
disturb off when I physically move the phone after
turning the do not disturb on.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
Sure, that wouldn’t be useful in all situations, but
would be very useful when you use it when sleeping.
Post by Wade Garrett
Actually, about the same criticisms apply to the new over-hyped iPhones too.
I am not thrilled with any of the X-Phones. I can live without FaceID.
I'd like to have it added because then I wouldn’t have to fart
around with Touch ID when doing stuff like bank transactions etc.
I am quite happy with TouchID
I'm not with stuff like banking.
But currently prefer it for ApplePay transactions.
ApplePay is smooth, and simple with TouchID for me.
Yeah, me too, but might well be just as good with face id too.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
Admittedly I havent tried using face id for long enough with
those to see if its just as easy to take it out of the pocket move
it past my face to the terminal in one fluid action so that its
just as convenient as Touch ID and much better for banking etc.
I have no experience with FaceID at all.
My only experience with it is with a neighbour's kid who
I used to be the personal banker for, who showed up with
a great wad of cash, got me to buy an iphone X online
with so he could have it for the regular trip to stay with
his relos in Sydney for the school holidays. He obviously
bragged about how lovely it was when he got it. I was
quite surprised at how well face id works in the dark.

Not sure how well it would work for me tho. I havent
bothered to shave for decades now and can get lazy
and end up looking like a wild man before I mow the
face and head right back to a rough stubble, because
that’s much easier than doing anything else with the
haircut. Not sure how well it can handle that.

And I don’t normally buy my iphones from apple,
I normally get them for cash from the cheapest
retailer I can find and so cant just return it if
it doesn’t work out well and it takes months
to go from the freshly mown head to looking
like a wild man anyway.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
and I am comfortable with my iPhone 8+.
Too big for me. I keep my phone in my front jeans or shorts pocket
Cargo pants
I have enough trouble finding shorts that don’t
end up down to my knees now that those are
the current fashion that those arent viable for me.
Post by Savageduck
or a vest with a convenient pocket works for me.
Don’t ever wear those. In the coldest weather its
two very heavy fleeces over a sweat top over a T shirt
with only hands pockets in the fleeces. And those
arent deep enough to reliably hold an iphone anyway.

I could obviously sew on a phone pocket but there
isnt much point given that it wouldn’t work in
summer where its always just a T shirt on top.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
and the 6S is already too big to make it easy to take
out of your pocket when driving along and you get an
incoming phone call when you didn’t expect to get one.
My iPhone is paired via BlueTooth to the system in my car.
Not viable for me because I use a neckband bluetooth
headset during the garage/yard sale run so I can do
calls both in the car and out of the car in the garage/yard
sale itself, and when out of the car doing the shopping
run that I always do when the garage/yard sale is over.

Tho I spose I could add a handsfree for the car and
turn it off during the garage/yard sale and after run.
Post by Savageduck
So it is hands free available whether in my pocket,
or attached to the magnetic mount on the dash.
Yeah, might go that route for the non garage/yard sale run.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
And I notice that they still havent fixed the
pain in the arse swipe to answer an incoming
phone call when the phone is easy to pick up
when driving, with iOS 12. Tho admittedly
I havent thought to try telling siri to answer it.
Have just tried that now and siri is too stupid to answer the call.
Post by Savageduck
I just push a button on my steering wheel.
My car is too old for that, 12 years now.
Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature
product that are approaching being a commodity
like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks, t-shirts, or flour.
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels
does your phone camera really need?
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is
a camera of last resort, and convenience. My photography
is done with far more capable cameras and lenses.
Mine is my only camera and the better it is the better.
The iPhone is a great camera especially if compared
with the point& shoot cameras of the recent past.
It is indeed, I'm amazed at how well it does.
Post by Savageduck
Those are a dying breed. Photographically, I just
have other needs, so I spend much more on
cameras and lenses than I do on iPhones.
Yeah, your photos are magnificent.
Savageduck
2018-09-19 02:34:22 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Savageduck
The iPhone is a great camera especially if compared
with the point& shoot cameras of the recent past.
It is indeed, I'm amazed at how well it does.
Post by Savageduck
Those are a dying breed. Photographically, I just
have other needs, so I spend much more on
cameras and lenses than I do on iPhones.
Yeah, your photos are magnificent.
Well with the appropriate lens/camera combo I can get shots like these:

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Rod Speed
2018-09-19 04:21:43 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Savageduck
The iPhone is a great camera especially if compared
with the point& shoot cameras of the recent past.
It is indeed, I'm amazed at how well it does.
Post by Savageduck
Those are a dying breed. Photographically, I just
have other needs, so I spend much more on
cameras and lenses than I do on iPhones.
Yeah, your photos are magnificent.
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Fark, never seen anything like them. I mostly get photos of the 2 grand
nephews
and one of them is pretty decent but none of them are anything like yours.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-19 07:46:33 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Unfortunately FUD was the impress ion that was delivered.
That's simply because you have the comprehensive skills of a child.
Lewis
2018-09-20 00:52:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
Unfortunately FUD was the impress ion that was delivered.
Post by Wade Garrett
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.
Over-hyped perhaps. However, the last thing I need is some unwanted, and
over-hyped, bling feature. I prefer to have something truly useful, and subtle.
An example of a feature I find useful is one part of *Do Not Disturb*, the
*Until I Leave This Location* option. This is perfect for appointments where I
find myself in a dentist chair, or similar situations.
Yep. Amd if it's on your calendar, you get "until end of event" or
something like that.

I have a siri shrtcit called "Movie sign" that does the following:

1: set DND for 2h40m
2. set low power mode
3. turn brightness to lowest setting
4. Adds and event to my calendar or tomorrow to rate the movie.
5. set volume to lowest level
6. Sends a message to a friend of mine saying "Movie Sign: and showing my
location
Post by Savageduck
I am not thrilled with any of the X-Phones. I can live without FaceID. I am
quite happy with TouchID and I am comfortable with my iPhone 8+.
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature product that are
approaching being a commodity like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks,
t-shirts, or flour.
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels does your phone camera
really need?
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort, and
convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and lenses.
"The best camera is the one you have" --- Ansel Adams
--
Internet was down last night. Turns out I have two kids. They seem
pretty well-behaved
Savageduck
2018-09-20 01:16:44 UTC
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<<Le Snip>>
Post by Lewis
Post by Savageduck
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort,
and convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and
lenses.
"The best camera is the one you have" --- Ansel Adams
A well, and overused saw. One I have observed for some 55+ years that I have
been hooked on photography. So much so, that along with my iPhone 8+ I have 7
digital cameras, and I have just bought an eighth camera body, and I am
awaiting delivery from B&H.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Erilar
2018-09-21 23:29:52 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
<<Le Snip>>
Post by Lewis
Post by Savageduck
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort,
and convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and
lenses.
"The best camera is the one you have" --- Ansel Adams
A well, and overused saw. One I have observed for some 55+ years that I have
been hooked on photography. So much so, that along with my iPhone 8+ I have 7
digital cameras, and I have just bought an eighth camera body, and I am
awaiting delivery from B&H.
There ARE people in the world who use real cameras. I’m another. I DO use
my iPad’s camera now and then, but not for serious photography.
--
biblioholic medievalist via iPad
Erilar
2018-09-26 23:01:38 UTC
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Post by Erilar
Post by Savageduck
<<Le Snip>>
Post by Lewis
Post by Savageduck
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort,
and convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and
lenses.
"The best camera is the one you have" --- Ansel Adams
A well, and overused saw. One I have observed for some 55+ years that I have
been hooked on photography. So much so, that along with my iPhone 8+ I have 7
digital cameras, and I have just bought an eighth camera body, and I am
awaiting delivery from B&H.
There ARE people in the world who use real cameras. I’m another. I DO use
my iPad’s camera now and then, but not for serious photography.
PS: I acquired my first camera almost 3/4 of a century ago 8-)
--
biblioholic medievalist via iPad
Savageduck
2018-09-26 23:20:58 UTC
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Post by Erilar
Post by Savageduck
<<Le Snip>>
Post by Lewis
Post by Savageduck
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort,
and convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and
lenses.
"The best camera is the one you have" --- Ansel Adams
A well, and overused saw. One I have observed for some 55+ years that I
have been hooked on photography. So much so, that along with my iPhone 8+ I
have 7 digital cameras, and I have just bought an eighth camera body, and I am
awaiting delivery from B&H.
There ARE people in the world who use real cameras. I’m another. I DO use
my iPad’s camera now and then, but not for serious photography.
PS: I acquired my first camera almost 3/4 of a century ago 8-)
So? I got my Kodak Brownie in 1954, and also used my father’s 1947 Argus C3,
developing film, and producing prints in his wet darkroom. Those days for me
are long gone. My transition to digital from analog started with my first
digital camera in 1998.
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Savageduck
Lewis
2018-09-27 04:52:42 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
Post by Erilar
Post by Savageduck
<<Le Snip>>
Post by Lewis
Post by Savageduck
My iPhone is not my primary camera, for me it is a camera of last resort,
and convenience. My photography is done with far more capable cameras and
lenses.
"The best camera is the one you have" --- Ansel Adams
A well, and overused saw. One I have observed for some 55+ years that I
have been hooked on photography. So much so, that along with my iPhone 8+ I
have 7 digital cameras, and I have just bought an eighth camera body, and I am
awaiting delivery from B&H.
There ARE people in the world who use real cameras. I’m another. I DO use
my iPad’s camera now and then, but not for serious photography.
PS: I acquired my first camera almost 3/4 of a century ago 8-)
So? I got my Kodak Brownie in 1954, and also used my father’s 1947
Argus C3, developing film, and producing prints in his wet darkroom.
Those days for me are long gone. My transition to digital from analog
started with my first digital camera in 1998.
I am happy to move further away from developing film and making prints
in a dark room every single day. While it was interesting at the time,
there is literally an infinity of more you can do in digital photos.

I look upon the people who pine for film as pretty much like the
delusional butters who claim vinyl is better that digital. The
exception,k until recently, was motion picture film which really was
better for quite a while until people figured out that "perfect" is the
enemy of cinematic quality.

I would go back to 8-track (or 9-track for that matter) before I went
back to film.
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to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with
upper management written all over him.
Rod Speed
2018-09-19 00:53:17 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Savageduck
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Today I updated an iPhone 6S, an iPhone 6S+, an iPhone 8+, and an iPad Pro
10.5” to iOS12. So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12” thread intended to impart.
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release
Its nothing even remotely like a minor maintenance release with Siri alone.
Post by Wade Garrett
hardly worthy of a new OS version number. It also bemoaned the lack of
significant new actually useful features.
Only by fools.
Post by Wade Garrett
Actually, about the same criticisms apply to the new over-hyped iPhones
too.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature product
Yes, but we still see major enhancements like with
reliable facial recognition alone which makes them
much more convenient and secure alone, if only
because that does make it easy to secure your phone
and so far more users do secure their phones.
Post by Wade Garrett
that are approaching being a commodity like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks,
t-shirts, or flour.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Wade Garrett
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels does your phone camera really
need?
Enough so there is no point in non phone cameras anymore.
Post by Wade Garrett
What's next- an unlock app that recognizes your hand shape, fingernail
configuration and aftershave as you reach to pick up the phone so you
don't have to wait for that terribly slow fingerprint reader,
Nothing terribly slow about it, its instant.
Post by Wade Garrett
facial recognition app,
Nothing terribly slow about it, its instant.

And its not an app.
Post by Wade Garrett
or worse- tap in a PIN?
Which hardly anyone bothers to have a very secure one
with, because it’s a pain to have to keep entering it.
Post by Wade Garrett
At a Labor Day barbecue, my brother-in-law told me that his lawn guy said
his ex-wife's hairdresser is balling a salesman who works for a company
that supplies electronic components to Apple in China.
That guy said he knows for a fact that the up-model of the iPhone XI will
have a proprietary fart-sensor- calibrated to just your gas. When
triggered, It will then unlock the phone, determine your precise location,
call the nearest gastroenterologist, make an appointment for a stat
consult, and then program your nav app to get you there.
Even you should be able to do better than that pathetic effort.

Obviously not.
Post by Wade Garrett
He also said the iPhone XII will self-drive your car there too......
Ditto.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-19 07:43:54 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
You misread my OP. No FUD intended.
I just said the same thing to Savageduck who always proves by what he
writes that he lacks even the most basic of adult comprehensive skills.
Post by Wade Garrett
The criticism was that this is at best an over-hyped (in the very best
Apple style) minor maintenance release hardly worthy of a new OS version
number. It also bemoaned the lack of significant new actually useful
features.
What you wrote is a fact - there's nothing meaningful in iOS 12.
*Savageduck proved his mind has the comprehensive skills of a child.*
Post by Wade Garrett
Actually, about the same criticisms apply to the new over-hyped iPhones
too.
Let's not go there ... since there is already a thread on that.
Post by Wade Garrett
Let's face it, smartphones are a very mature product that are
approaching being a commodity like milk, gasoline, sugar, socks,
t-shirts, or flour.
They _are_ a commodity. They are simply small mobile computers.

You can get great ones for $130 bucks (ask me how I know).
But - they only come in black.

SO Lewis will pay over $1,000 because his will be pink & gold.
Post by Wade Garrett
I mean really, how many bazillion megapixels does your phone camera
really need?
The iPhone is pretty good, but never the best or even close to the best.
The camera is at the bottom of the top ten though, which isn't bad.
Post by Wade Garrett
What's next- an unlock app that recognizes your hand shape, fingernail
configuration and aftershave as you reach to pick up the phone so you
don't have to wait for that terribly slow fingerprint reader, facial
recognition app, or worse- tap in a PIN?
I can see you don't fall for the hype.

You have to remember Apple MARKETING spends a LOT of money making people
*feel* safe.

It doesn't matter that they're not safe - all that matters is that they
*feel* safe.

So you'll see this "lock-stuff" hype for years to come because obviously
Apple MARKTING thinks it makes the customer *feel* safe.

Worse - other manufacturers have figured out that Apple MARKETING makes
billions for Apple - so they are copying Apple MARKETING strategy as if
they have the playbook in their very hands.

*So lots of the worst things about Apple are coming to Android.*
Arlen Holder
2018-09-19 07:34:49 UTC
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Post by Savageduck
So far I have not experienced any of the FUD this "Apple Jumps
the Shark with iOS 12¡ thread intended to impart.
*Every time you post, Savageduck, you prove your mind is that of an idiot.*

You don't even know what FUD means for Christs' sake.

What the OP said was there's nothing meaningful iOS 12 - which is a fact.

*But you're an idiot Apple Apologist ... facts have no place in your mind.*

For you to consider that FUD, means you have the comprehension of a child.

And that's a fact.
Arlen Holder
2018-09-18 22:38:22 UTC
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Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features. Apple planned this
long ago. Although, this should had been called v11.5 but they wanted a
big number change.
I think one of the reasons there's nothing of import in iOS 12 might be
simply that Craig Federighi is on record for asking Marketing to stop
forcing the software engineers to be on the same schedule as the hardware.

Since Apple MARKETING is the best there is, they will still tout the
meaningless iOS 12 update as a "big deal", where only the adults in this
newsgroup will realize that it's not.

Only the Apple Apologists claim there is meaningful content in iOS 12.

Yet, they can't seem to ever name a single meaningful OS improvement.
Not a single one.

That's telling for adults who have sentient skills.
Lewis
2018-09-20 00:44:35 UTC
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Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.

Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
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*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-20 01:27:57 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Fuck that nonsense. Improvement in Books are groundbreaking. You are
misguided.
Elden
2018-09-20 03:50:38 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
Post by Lewis
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Fuck that nonsense. Improvement in Books are groundbreaking. You are
misguided.
That's funny.
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-=Elden=-
Lewis
2018-09-20 11:08:41 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Fuck that nonsense. Improvement in Books are groundbreaking. You are
misguided.
Books is one of my most used apps on my iPad, so the improvements in
Books are appreciated and welcome.

Group notifications and the ability to change notification settings from
a notification are great, as is the preset "deliver quietly". Do Not
Disturb until (event is over || I leave this location) is also great.

Big enhancements in the AR features, but obvs haven't gotten to see that
much yet as updates are still in the pipeline for most the AR apps.

Siri suggestions, Password management integration system wide (both
LastPass and 1Password updated for this on day one).

Use siri to find your iPhone, iPad, or AirPods.

And, of course, something Android users know nothing about, enhanced
privacy and security features, including a big jump in tracking
prevention.
--
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aren't even a pretty face, Gaspode.'
Arlen H. Holder
2018-09-20 13:57:02 UTC
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And, of course, something Android users know nothing about...
What's interesting about Lewis is that he lives in a world of fear.

He doesn't even realize that his device is a "phone".
(Lewis thinks it's some kind of star-wars-like force shield.)

HINT: All common consumer phones have the same weak links.
enhanced
privacy and security features, including a big jump in tracking
prevention.
Bearing in mind Apple touted CPU throttling as "performance enhancements",
I challenge anyone here to name a *single* security enhancement in iOS 12
that is a big deal.

Or, are you _all_ just making this stuff up all the time always?
--
All I ever ask of you - is to think like an adult - using facts.
Erilar
2018-09-21 23:29:51 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
--
biblioholic medievalist via iPad
John McWilliams
2018-09-22 00:15:28 UTC
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Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
So, what is not the case? That it's not the best single future?
No one here believes iPhones are that universal. Well, maybe some do,
but either way it's irrelevant to your statement.
Jolly Roger
2018-09-22 01:07:55 UTC
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Post by John McWilliams
Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
So, what is not the case? That it's not the best single future?
No one here believes iPhones are that universal. Well, maybe some do,
but either way it's irrelevant to your statement.
Not to mention these are the comp.mobile.ipad and
misc.phone.mobile.iphone newsgroups...
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Erilar
2018-09-26 23:01:38 UTC
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Post by Jolly Roger
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
So, what is not the case? That it's not the best single future?
No one here believes iPhones are that universal. Well, maybe some do,
but either way it's irrelevant to your statement.
Not to mention these are the comp.mobile.ipad and
misc.phone.mobile.iphone newsgroups...
Not everyone in the world has a "magic” phone, whether i or android.
--
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Jolly Roger
2018-09-27 00:53:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Erilar
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by John McWilliams
Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
So, what is not the case? That it's not the best single future?
No one here believes iPhones are that universal. Well, maybe some do,
but either way it's irrelevant to your statement.
Not to mention these are the comp.mobile.ipad and
misc.phone.mobile.iphone newsgroups...
Not everyone in the world has a "magic” phone, whether i or android.
Irrelevant to this discussion.
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Lewis
2018-09-22 07:59:24 UTC
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Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
Did I say that?

Nope. I did not.

Not only did I not say it, but is entirely irrelevant. I don't give
a fuck what piece of shit other people buy. I don't care that all their
personal data is scraped by Chinese servers, facebook, and google. I
don't care that most android phones have malware embedded in them when
they reach the consumer. I don't care that most android updates lie
about what they are patching and leave gaping security holes they tell
the user have been patched.

How is that relevant to iPhone? It's not.
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B***@Onramp.net
2018-09-22 15:40:30 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:29:51 -0500, Erilar
Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
David Taylor
2018-09-22 18:00:17 UTC
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On 22/09/2018 16:40, ***@Onramp.net wrote:
[]> Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
Post by B***@Onramp.net
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
Yours is a multi-posted message. It would be an incorrect assumption
that just because someone has an iPad, they either have, wish for, or
want to spend money on an iPhone.

Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
nospam
2018-09-22 18:06:20 UTC
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Post by David Taylor
[]> Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
Post by B***@Onramp.net
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
Yours is a multi-posted message. It would be an incorrect assumption
that just because someone has an iPad, they either have, wish for, or
want to spend money on an iPhone.
it's a reasonable assumption. in fact, it's very likely, since it's the
same os on both, sharing the same apps.

owning an ipad and an android phone means learning two different
systems, buying all apps twice and being unable to seamlessly sync
content.
Post by David Taylor
Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
blame that on the troll.
Arlen H. Holder
2018-09-22 19:36:06 UTC
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Post by nospam
owning an ipad and an android phone means learning two different
systems, buying all apps twice and being unable to seamlessly sync
content.
Wrong again, nopspam, as always.

It's amazing how almost incomprehensibly _stupid_ you Apple Apologists are.

First off, on Android, where the overall cost of ownership is *vastly* less
than on iOS, I can purchase from two to five equivalent hardware Android
phones for the price of a single less functional in almost every way,
iPhone.

Second, on Android, and on iOS, I pretty much do far more than you'll ever
be able to do (since you "just give up" when dealing with the real world),
and you know that.

Every one of my apps but one (iHikeGPS) is free, and on Android, I can
rattle off the top of my head a score of functionality I can do with those
free apps that not a single iPhone ever sold, at any price, can come close
to doing (e.g., load any app launcher I want, automatically record phone
calls, wifi debugging with real-time graphical display of all access
points, etc.).

Meanwhile, as noted recently, I can boot to my desktop and manage the
entire visible file system (both read and write) on _both_ the iOS devices
and the Android devices, from the native file explorer on the dekstop, sans
a shred of the Orwellian restricted iTunes abomination or the AirDrop
asphyxiation.

You Apple Apologists prove time and again you can't do anything that Apple
Marketing didn't provide a big emoji button for. Hence, like "joe" did
yesterday, you cry like little babies whenever you attempt to deal with the
real world, and, when you invariably fail, you blame everyone else.

HINT: I never fail at _anything_ I attempt to do with iOS & Android.
(Well, _almost_ never ... as there _are_ some things iOS just can't do.)

Meanwhile, you moronic Apple Apologists whine that we can do whatever we
want, and you call us trolls because you can't do anything that we can.

I think that's kind of funny, don't you.
BKOnRamp, one of the three dumbest iOS users on this newsgroup (along with
Lewis and Jolly Roger) cries like a little baby because he can't do
anything.

Hehhehheh ... you iOS users are all technically incompetent, and you prove
it with every post. If Apple doesn't give you an emoji-shaped button, you
can't even deal with the real world on your own.
Post by nospam
Post by David Taylor
Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
blame that on the troll.
First off, if you're talking about me, I have *plenty* of iOS devices, and
you know that.

Also, in my family are *plenty* of iOS iPhones, one of which is on my
family plan, and you know that also, since I buy them as gifts, and, as you
know, the girls, mostly, are not technical and love their iPhones.

The boys have more sense and aren't as afraid of technology so they prefer
the Android devices (although there is one sixth grader who pines for an
iPhone but his birthday is in January so I have time to decide what to get
him).
nospam
2018-09-22 19:41:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arlen H. Holder
Post by nospam
Post by David Taylor
Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
blame that on the troll.
First off, if you're talking about me,
yep.
Arlen H. Holder
2018-09-22 19:57:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arlen H. Holder
First off, if you're talking about me,
yep.
You prove, with every post, nospam, that your brain is that of a child.
B***@Onramp.net
2018-09-22 18:49:39 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:00:17 +0100, David Taylor
Post by David Taylor
[]> Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
Post by B***@Onramp.net
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
Yours is a multi-posted message. It would be an incorrect assumption
that just because someone has an iPad, they either have, wish for, or
want to spend money on an iPhone.
Whoosh!
Post by David Taylor
Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
To be sure that my return post goes to the person I'm answering I just
respond in kind. Your multi-post is an example.
Lewis
2018-09-23 00:20:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Taylor
[]> Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
Post by B***@Onramp.net
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
Yours is a multi-posted message.
No it is not.
Post by David Taylor
Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
Perhaps you should learn what multi-posting is.
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David Taylor
2018-09-23 09:16:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lewis
Post by David Taylor
[]> Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
Post by B***@Onramp.net
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
Yours is a multi-posted message.
No it is not.
Post by David Taylor
Perhaps you would like to consider whether multi-posting your reply is
appropriate.
Perhaps you should learn what multi-posting is.
s/multi/cross/
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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Your Name
2018-09-22 22:16:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by B***@Onramp.net
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:29:51 -0500, Erilar
Post by Erilar
Post by Lewis
Post by Ant
This is a maintence update, not major new features.
Sorry, but you are wrong,. 100% wrong. Shortcuts.Siri Shortcuts by
itself is a fucking awesome feature that ALREADY has entirely changed
how I use my phone. It is fucking AMAZING.
Seriously, this is the best single feature in iOS ever.
Despite the general belief that everyone in the world has an iPhone, this
is not the case.
Except for a few trolls the majority on this newsgroup has one
iPhone...or more. That's why it was created and what is discussed.
The newsgroup was created to discuss the iPhone and related matters for
those interested. There's no law that says you actually have to own an
iPhone.
Rod Speed
2018-09-18 18:44:28 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon Tim,
is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on innovation,
creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Doesn’t work too well with kids etc.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts;
Nothing silly about them if you use siri much.
Post by Wade Garrett
stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Bit hard to roll over in your grave when you have been cremated.
Wade Garrett
2018-09-18 22:24:53 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
Doesn’t work too well with kids etc.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts;
Nothing silly about them if you use siri much.
Post by Wade Garrett
stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Etc., etc., etc.
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Bit hard to roll over in your grave when you have been cremated.
Not for Steve...
--
Nigerian authorities found a man dead in his apartment along with 16
billion dollars stored there. Apparently he had been trying to give it
away for over 10 years... but no one would return his emails.
Lewis
2018-09-20 00:40:56 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
WTF are you talking about?
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
This feature gives you data. If you don;t care, don't enable it.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Siri Shortcuts, and Shortcuts, are an astonishingly powerful feature
that may (probbaly, even) turn out to be the best usability enhancement
to smrat phones ever. Basically, you can program you phone.

Right now, I can say, "Hey siri, i'm going home" and the following
happens.

The weather is checked, and I get a notification for the weather for the
next hour. If sunset is in that hour, I am told about that. My wife gets
a text message with my current location and my ETA. My playlist start
playing. The thermostat at home is set, the exterior lights are turned
on. My son gets a text telling him he has [x[ minutes to finished his
homework and chores where X is my ETA. Finally, Safari opens up a
weblink on my server showing tonight's new TV sows (that I watch) and
reads them to me. Then my playlist starts playing.

I do that all without touching my phone.
Post by Wade Garrett
Etc., etc., etc.
I like how you yadda yadda all the new features, You're a moron.
Post by Wade Garrett
Steve must be rolling over in his grave!
Fuck you, asscunt. Fuck you very much.
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Elden
2018-09-20 03:48:53 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Wade Garrett
Etc., etc., etc.
I like how you yadda yadda all the new features, You're a moron.
My conclusion as well.
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-=Elden=-
Chris
2018-09-20 06:19:33 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
WTF are you talking about?
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
This feature gives you data. If you don;t care, don't enable it.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Siri Shortcuts, and Shortcuts, are an astonishingly powerful feature
that may (probbaly, even) turn out to be the best usability enhancement
to smrat phones ever. Basically, you can program you phone.
Right now, I can say, "Hey siri, i'm going home" and the following
happens.
The weather is checked, and I get a notification for the weather for the
next hour. If sunset is in that hour, I am told about that. My wife gets
a text message with my current location and my ETA. My playlist start
playing. The thermostat at home is set, the exterior lights are turned
on. My son gets a text telling him he has [x[ minutes to finished his
homework and chores where X is my ETA. Finally, Safari opens up a
weblink on my server showing tonight's new TV sows (that I watch) and
reads them to me. Then my playlist starts playing.
I'm really interested in trying out shortcuts as so far siri has been a bit
of a disappointment. I can't find good tutorials on this, can you explain
how you achieved the above?
Lewis
2018-09-20 10:58:29 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Lewis
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
WTF are you talking about?
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
This feature gives you data. If you don;t care, don't enable it.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Siri Shortcuts, and Shortcuts, are an astonishingly powerful feature
that may (probbaly, even) turn out to be the best usability enhancement
to smrat phones ever. Basically, you can program you phone.
Right now, I can say, "Hey siri, i'm going home" and the following
happens.
The weather is checked, and I get a notification for the weather for the
next hour. If sunset is in that hour, I am told about that. My wife gets
a text message with my current location and my ETA. My playlist start
playing. The thermostat at home is set, the exterior lights are turned
on. My son gets a text telling him he has [x[ minutes to finished his
homework and chores where X is my ETA. Finally, Safari opens up a
weblink on my server showing tonight's new TV sows (that I watch) and
reads them to me. Then my playlist starts playing.
I'm really interested in trying out shortcuts as so far siri has been a bit
of a disappointment. I can't find good tutorials on this, can you explain
how you achieved the above?
There are not a lot of resources since the GM just came out on Monday.
I've been running the beta since June and I've spent a lot of time in
Shortcuts.

There is the Automator's podcast discourse site at
https://talk.automators.fm and there is https://macstories.com

But basically it is just chaining tasks.

I get my weather from Darkskies using an API key (free), I parse that
data using magic variables to get the summary for the next hour (Sunny,
cloudy, raining, snowing, etc) and the sunset time. I check if sunset is
in the next 60 minutes. Etc etc.

Also, because I have my own webserver and I can call a URL from a
shortcut, I could do pretty much anything at all if I wanted to do the
programming on the back end (which is how I do the thermostats and TV
shows currently).

I misspoke above, my script did not send my ETA, it sent my travel time.
It now sends my ETA to my wife, but still sends the travel time to my
son.

Get date (curent date)
Adjust date (traveltime seconds)
Send message "yadda yadd [Adjusted Date as HH:mm]"
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were balanced on the scales, the trick was to know where to place your
thumb. --The Fifth Elephant
Chris
2018-09-20 14:36:17 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Chris
Post by Lewis
Post by Wade Garrett
Well whoopdie-freakin-doo.....iOS 12 is released.
What a bunch of childish nonsense. These guys gotta be kiddin'. C'mon
Tim, is this the best Apple can do? Have y'all totally given up on
innovation, creativity and real development?
WTF are you talking about?
Post by Wade Garrett
Your iPad or iPhone tells you when you're using it too much? Whatever
happened to self-control and personal responsibility?
This feature gives you data. If you don;t care, don't enable it.
Post by Wade Garrett
Silly Siri shortucts; stupid cartoon icons; messages? BFD, who cares.
Siri Shortcuts, and Shortcuts, are an astonishingly powerful feature
that may (probbaly, even) turn out to be the best usability enhancement
to smrat phones ever. Basically, you can program you phone.
Right now, I can say, "Hey siri, i'm going home" and the following
happens.
The weather is checked, and I get a notification for the weather for the
next hour. If sunset is in that hour, I am told about that. My wife gets
a text message with my current location and my ETA. My playlist start
playing. The thermostat at home is set, the exterior lights are turned
on. My son gets a text telling him he has [x[ minutes to finished his
homework and chores where X is my ETA. Finally, Safari opens up a
weblink on my server showing tonight's new TV sows (that I watch) and
reads them to me. Then my playlist starts playing.
I'm really interested in trying out shortcuts as so far siri has been a bit
of a disappointment. I can't find good tutorials on this, can you explain
how you achieved the above?
There are not a lot of resources since the GM just came out on Monday.
I've been running the beta since June and I've spent a lot of time in
Shortcuts.
There is the Automator's podcast discourse site at
https://talk.automators.fm and there is https://macstories.com
But basically it is just chaining tasks.
I get my weather from Darkskies using an API key (free), I parse that
data using magic variables to get the summary for the next hour (Sunny,
cloudy, raining, snowing, etc) and the sunset time. I check if sunset is
in the next 60 minutes. Etc etc.
Also, because I have my own webserver and I can call a URL from a
shortcut, I could do pretty much anything at all if I wanted to do the
programming on the back end (which is how I do the thermostats and TV
shows currently).
I misspoke above, my script did not send my ETA, it sent my travel time.
It now sends my ETA to my wife, but still sends the travel time to my
son.
Get date (curent date)
Adjust date (traveltime seconds)
Send message "yadda yadd [Adjusted Date as HH:mm]"
Ok. Thanks for the heads up. It's a bit beyond what I'm after just now, but
will keep it mind.

I now have the shortcuts app so can play with that :)
Your Name
2018-09-23 21:47:31 UTC
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Post by Your Name
The newsgroup was created to discuss the iPhone and related matters for
those interested. There's no law that says you actually have to own an
iPhone.
So please stop posting it to the iPad group as well.
The topic was about iOS 12, which is also relevant to the iPad, which
is why the original person cross-posted it. Simply swap "iPhone" in the
above statement with "iPad" and the statement still stands.
Wade Garrett
2018-09-23 22:23:15 UTC
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Post by Your Name
The newsgroup was created to discuss the iPhone and related matters
for those interested. There's no law that says you actually have to
own an iPhone.
So please stop posting it to the iPad group as well.
The topic was about iOS 12, which is also relevant to the iPad, which is
why the original person cross-posted it. Simply swap "iPhone" in the
above statement with "iPad" and the statement still stands.
Yup :-)
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*Hemidactylus*
2018-09-23 22:50:48 UTC
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Post by Your Name
[]
Post by Your Name
The newsgroup was created to discuss the iPhone and related matters for
those interested. There's no law that says you actually have to own an
iPhone.
So please stop posting it to the iPad group as well.
The topic was about iOS 12, which is also relevant to the iPad, which
is why the original person cross-posted it. Simply swap "iPhone" in the
above statement with "iPad" and the statement still stands.
Isn’t an iPhone a tinier iPad with more functionality? If not for the Plus
line I would have been more tempted to get an iPad. The groups have overlap
in membership and topicality. I guess that makes me an “Apple Apologist”
who recognizes a big tent between groups. It’s not as if we need worry
about Samsung, Nexus, Motorola etc. We scale well.
Your Name
2018-09-24 02:38:49 UTC
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Post by *Hemidactylus*
Post by Your Name
[]
Post by Your Name
The newsgroup was created to discuss the iPhone and related matters for
those interested. There's no law that says you actually have to own an
iPhone.
So please stop posting it to the iPad group as well.
The topic was about iOS 12, which is also relevant to the iPad, which
is why the original person cross-posted it. Simply swap "iPhone" in the
above statement with "iPad" and the statement still stands.
Isn’t an iPhone a tinier iPad with more functionality? If not for the Plus
line I would have been more tempted to get an iPad. The groups have overlap
in membership and topicality. I guess that makes me an “Apple Apologist”
who recognizes a big tent between groups. It’s not as if we need worry
about Samsung, Nexus, Motorola etc. We scale well.
Both the iPhone and the iPad are simply modernised versions of the
Newton "with more functionality" ... so we should add
comp.sys.newton.misc to the list. ;-)
David Taylor
2018-09-24 06:11:30 UTC
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On 23/09/2018 22:47, Your Name wrote:
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The topic was about iOS 12, which is also relevant to the iPad, which is
why the original person cross-posted it. Simply swap "iPhone" in the
above statement with "iPad" and the statement still stands.
Once it became just about the iPhone, it became not relevant to the iPad
group, so it would have been appreciated if the posting had been
adjusted accordingly.
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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
Your Name
2018-09-24 06:22:30 UTC
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Post by David Taylor
[]
Post by Your Name
The topic was about iOS 12, which is also relevant to the iPad, which
is why the original person cross-posted it. Simply swap "iPhone" in the
above statement with "iPad" and the statement still stands.
Once it became just about the iPhone, it became not relevant to the
iPad group, so it would have been appreciated if the posting had been
adjusted accordingly.
It only "became just about the iPhone" because some snipped a reply
making it out of context and *LOOK* like it was "just about the iPhone"
... it was actually talking about Siri Shortcuts, which are a feature
of both the iPad and iPhone.

Besides which, if you can't handle discussions going off the original
topic, then you should give up on Usenet (and most other forums and
human interactions!) right now and save yourself a lot of self-induced
stress. :-\
David Taylor
2018-09-24 18:20:07 UTC
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On 24/09/2018 07:22, Your Name wrote:
[]
Post by Your Name
It only "became just about the iPhone" because some snipped a reply
making it out of context and *LOOK* like it was "just about the iPhone"
... it was actually talking about Siri Shortcuts, which are a feature of
both the iPad and iPhone.
Besides which, if you can't handle discussions going off the original
topic, then you should give up on Usenet (and most other forums and
human interactions!) right now and save yourself a lot of self-induced
stress.   :-\
Clipping is indeed a skill to be honed! I hadn't appreciated the Siri
as I don't use it.

The great majority of newsgroup stress has been eliminated for me by
removing messages from, or referencing a small subset of users. I try
to avoid forums which can only be accessed on the Web.

My own experience of iOS 12 has been largely positive, which is an
improvement on some previous updates. I wish that Android was updated
as regularly.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
nospam
2018-09-24 20:02:18 UTC
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Post by David Taylor
The great majority of newsgroup stress has been eliminated for me by
removing messages from, or referencing a small subset of users. I try
to avoid forums which can only be accessed on the Web.
unlike usenet, web forums are moderated, which would eliminate your
'stress'.
Post by David Taylor
My own experience of iOS 12 has been largely positive, which is an
improvement on some previous updates. I wish that Android was updated
as regularly.
it is, it's just that the device makers aren't interested in releasing
it for their devices. they'd rather sell you a new device.

oreo and later splits the device-specific stuff out, except that oreo
only has about 15% share, so it will be another couple of years until
android catches up. more than half of android phones are still running
marshmallow or earlier.
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