Is it possible to send and receive SMS in a 3G activated iPad?

Dear friends, i have a WiFi only iPad, but I am curious with that issue.

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Michelle Steiner

2010-09-28 13:50:49 UTC

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Post by Juan I. Cahis
Dear friends, i have a WiFi only iPad, but I am curious with that issue.

With third party apps, sure. Natively, no.

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2010-09-28 14:22:49 UTC

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Post by Juan I. Cahis
Dear friends, i have a WiFi only iPad, but I am curious with that issue.

With third party apps, sure. Natively, no.

Well, I am not so sure. I checked the apps in Applestore, and I found a
lot of them, but all of them need a sort of server gateway, that is,
none send the SMS directly like the iPhone. That is strange for me,
because in my Country, the micro chip that the Telco sells for the iPad
is exactly the same micro chip that they sell for the iPhone 4.

So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

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Peter Be

2010-09-28 14:37:02 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

PeBe

Michelle Steiner

2010-09-28 17:19:43 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Actually, you're sorta right; you have to have phone protocols to use SMS.
SMS does not work over the data protocols. That's the reason that "dumb
phones" that do not have data capabilities can SMS.

The iPad is not sold as a phone; it's not designed to be a phone. Just try
to hold one up to your ear, and you'll see why.

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Howard Brazee

2010-09-28 17:46:49 UTC

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:19:43 -0700, Michelle Steiner

Post by Michelle Steiner
The iPad is not sold as a phone; it's not designed to be a phone. Just try
to hold one up to your ear, and you'll see why.

True - but lots of people don't always hold their mobile phones up to
their ears when they use them.

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David Empson

2010-09-29 00:01:20 UTC

Post by Howard Brazee
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:19:43 -0700, Michelle Steiner

Post by Michelle Steiner
The iPad is not sold as a phone; it's not designed to be a phone. Just try
to hold one up to your ear, and you'll see why.

True - but lots of people don't always hold their mobile phones up to
their ears when they use them.

Especially when sending or receiving text messages.

Here in New Zealand, the Telecom XT network currently requires receiving
a text message to activate access to the mobile broadband meter.

If you have the SIM in an iPhone or any other cellphone, no problem.
Also no problem if you have the SIM in the USB cellular modem sold by
Telecom, since the accompanying software can be used to send and receive
text messages (but not make voice calls).

If the SIM is in an iPad, you are out of luck.

The SIM can be temporarily moved to another device to receive the text
message, but there is the added complication that it is a MicroSIM and
not very many other devices are using MicroSIMs yet, so you may need an
adapter; they aren't readily available here. (I got one from
DealExtreme.)

It would be reasonable for the Messages app to be available on an iPad,
even if the iPad cannot be used for voice calls. Hopefully competing
tablet devices will have text message support and this might be enough
to encourage Apple to follow suit.

Feature request submitted.

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Allistar

2010-09-28 23:09:51 UTC

Post by David Empson

Post by Howard Brazee
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:19:43 -0700, Michelle Steiner

Post by Michelle Steiner
The iPad is not sold as a phone; it's not designed to be a phone. Just
try to hold one up to your ear, and you'll see why.

True - but lots of people don't always hold their mobile phones up to
their ears when they use them.

Especially when sending or receiving text messages.
Here in New Zealand, the Telecom XT network currently requires receiving
a text message to activate access to the mobile broadband meter.
If you have the SIM in an iPhone or any other cellphone, no problem.
Also no problem if you have the SIM in the USB cellular modem sold by
Telecom, since the accompanying software can be used to send and receive
text messages (but not make voice calls).
If the SIM is in an iPad, you are out of luck.
The SIM can be temporarily moved to another device to receive the text
message, but there is the added complication that it is a MicroSIM and
not very many other devices are using MicroSIMs yet, so you may need an
adapter; they aren't readily available here. (I got one from
DealExtreme.)
It would be reasonable for the Messages app to be available on an iPad,
even if the iPad cannot be used for voice calls. Hopefully competing
tablet devices will have text message support and this might be enough
to encourage Apple to follow suit.
Feature request submitted.

When I activated my iPad SIM (with Vodafone New Zealand) I was surprised to
discover that the iPad (or more specifically, the SIM) is allocate a phone
number. This leads more weight to the idea that it should be possible to
send a text message to/from an iPad.

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nospam

2010-09-28 23:14:58 UTC

Post by Allistar
When I activated my iPad SIM (with Vodafone New Zealand) I was surprised to
discover that the iPad (or more specifically, the SIM) is allocate a phone
number. This leads more weight to the idea that it should be possible to
send a text message to/from an iPad.

the iphone dev team got it working. jailbreak required, obviously.

Allistar

2010-09-28 23:04:04 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Actually, you're sorta right; you have to have phone protocols to use SMS.
SMS does not work over the data protocols. That's the reason that "dumb
phones" that do not have data capabilities can SMS.

From what I know SMS messages are sent inside the standard "ping"
communications that a phonme sends to the local cell tower. Surely this
communication still happens with a 3G activated iPad? If so, they the
ability to put SMS message text in there should also be possible.

Sounds like a software limitation and not a hardware one.

Post by Michelle Steiner
The iPad is not sold as a phone; it's not designed to be a phone. Just
try to hold one up to your ear, and you'll see why.

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DevilsPGD

2010-09-29 17:39:29 UTC

Post by Allistar

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Actually, you're sorta right; you have to have phone protocols to use SMS.
SMS does not work over the data protocols. That's the reason that "dumb
phones" that do not have data capabilities can SMS.

From what I know SMS messages are sent inside the standard "ping"
communications that a phonme sends to the local cell tower. Surely this
communication still happens with a 3G activated iPad? If so, they the
ability to put SMS message text in there should also be possible.
Sounds like a software limitation and not a hardware one.

Correct. The iPad is actually capable of receiving SMS messages
already, or at least on Rogers with a bit of hackery I was able to CC
the "Your account is now activated" messages to an email address by
instructing Rogers to CC my iPad's SMSes to an email address.

Since I can't simulate many of these messages at once I wasn't able to
do much experimentation though.

Other inbound SMSes were not displayed on the device. I suspect either
the iPad only displays SMSes with a special tag or something OR Rogers'
network blocks them.

I'm now on a TELUS microSIM, they don't use SMS messaging for anything
(nor can I manage my account on the device), but there too I can't get
SMS messages to popup, leading me to believe it's something on the
device that fails to display inbound SMS messages since I simply don't
have faith that both Rogers and TELUS could properly automatically block
inbound SMS.

Alan Browne

2010-09-28 21:24:45 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

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nospam

2010-09-28 21:40:09 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

it's product differentiation, nothing more.

Robert Haar

2010-09-28 23:38:57 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

Thanks for playing.... but I use a laptop as a phone and so do a number of
people that I know. So why not a iPad with Skype or equivalent VIP software?

nospam

2010-09-28 23:56:39 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

Thanks for playing.... but I use a laptop as a phone and so do a number of
people that I know.

oh give me a fucking break.

sure you *can* make voip calls on it but that's not what people think
of when they think 'phone'.

do you take a laptop with you wherever you go and make calls from it?
do you fumble with the headset each time? i bet that's a lot of fun if
you have to make a call while driving.

do you prop it up in the grocery cart while shopping? what do you do
when there's no wifi or wired internet?

it can't ring when there's no internet nor when it's sleeping in a
laptop bag so that pretty much eliminates a major reason to have a
cellphone.

not only is it a really shitty phone, but it's even more ridiculous
than using a 10" tablet as one.

Post by Robert Haar
So why not a iPad with Skype or equivalent VIP software?

the next ipad will likely have facetime. good enough?

or you can do audio only with various apps.

Robert Haar

2010-09-29 02:04:10 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

Thanks for playing.... but I use a laptop as a phone and so do a number of
people that I know.

oh give me a fucking break.

OK - <BR> but try whatever games you want with it.

Post by nospam
sure you *can* make voip calls on it but that's not what people think
of when they think 'phone'.

What people? For me, a phone is a device that sits on a desk or hangs on a
wall that I can use to make calls. I have five of those in use just at home.

I also have two cordless phone as satellites from one of the real
telephones. Those could often be replaced by an iPad with a headset

For mobility, I use a cell phone. But that is only one kind of 'phone.

You said "nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone."
If you meant as a replacement for a cell phone, then you should say so.
Otherwise, I have proven you statement to be false.

nospam

2010-09-29 02:18:21 UTC

Post by nospam
sure you *can* make voip calls on it but that's not what people think
of when they think 'phone'.

What people? For me, a phone is a device that sits on a desk or hangs on a
wall that I can use to make calls. I have five of those in use just at home.

were you planning on velcro-ing the ipads to the wall? does your laptop
replace those phones?

Post by Robert Haar
I also have two cordless phone as satellites from one of the real
telephones. Those could often be replaced by an iPad with a headset

you're really going to replace a cordless phone that could fit in a
pocket with an ipad?? seriously??

Post by Robert Haar
For mobility, I use a cell phone. But that is only one kind of 'phone.

would you replace that with an ipad?

Post by Robert Haar
You said "nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone."
If you meant as a replacement for a cell phone, then you should say so.

i think it's very obvious what i meant.

Post by Robert Haar
Otherwise, I have proven you statement to be false.

would you prefer if i said virtually nobody? is this about semantics
now?

how many sales do you think apple is losing because the ipad can't make
calls? one of the key advantages of the ipad is that there is no
contract whatsoever, including for the 3g model. 3g data is entirely
pay as you go, signup and cancel at any time.

Howard Brazee

2010-09-29 16:14:37 UTC

Post by nospam
oh give me a fucking break.
sure you *can* make voip calls on it but that's not what people think
of when they think 'phone'.

Not usually - but this thread was created because there *are*
situations where their functions overlap.

I suppose, we could say "Antarctica is not what people think of when
they think 'vacation', in response to a query about vacationing there.
But it isn't a useful response.

Alan Browne

2010-09-29 22:24:58 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

Thanks for playing.... but I use a laptop as a phone and so do a number of
people that I know.

oh give me a fucking break.

You've had your break. You're wrong. If people want to use their iPad
as a phone, then why not? *You* don't have to and neither does anyone
at Apple.

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nospam

2010-09-29 22:39:49 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
You've had your break. You're wrong. If people want to use their iPad
as a phone, then why not? *You* don't have to and neither does anyone
at Apple.

except that adding that functionality means engineering, testing and
marketing of a feature that few people would actually use. apple is
better off working on features that the majority of people want, not a
few edge cases.

plus, you can use skype on an ipad so wtf are you bitching about anyway?

Howard Brazee

2010-09-30 02:08:01 UTC

Post by nospam
except that adding that functionality means engineering, testing and
marketing of a feature that few people would actually use. apple is
better off working on features that the majority of people want, not a
few edge cases.

It doesn't look like a good return. But I wonder what percentage of
Mac users use, say, iMovie?

Alan Browne

2010-10-01 21:55:32 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
You've had your break. You're wrong. If people want to use their iPad
as a phone, then why not? *You* don't have to and neither does anyone
at Apple.

Not if it's a s/w feature supplied by a 3rd party. That's all that SMS
is in a 3G iPad.

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Michelle Steiner

2010-09-28 23:57:04 UTC

Post by Robert Haar
Thanks for playing.... but I use a laptop as a phone and so do a number
of people that I know. So why not a iPad with Skype or equivalent VIP
software?

Sure, you can use Skype and a headset. But that won't give you SMS.

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nospam

2010-09-28 23:58:56 UTC

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Post by Robert Haar
Thanks for playing.... but I use a laptop as a phone and so do a number
of people that I know. So why not a iPad with Skype or equivalent VIP
software?

Sure, you can use Skype and a headset. But that won't give you SMS.

aren't there mac/win apps that can send/receive sms? i've done it from
web pages before, but i think there are apps that do it directly.

if he has a full fledged laptop, he can do sms. it's just going to be a
royal pain in the ass.

Michelle Steiner

2010-09-29 00:26:03 UTC

Post by Michelle Steiner
Sure, you can use Skype and a headset. But that won't give you SMS.

aren't there mac/win apps that can send/receive sms? i've done it from
web pages before, but i think there are apps that do it directly.

I don't know about Mac or Win apps, but there's at least one for the
iPhone: TextFree. However, it's not available for the iPad.

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2010-09-29 00:31:34 UTC

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Post by Michelle Steiner
Sure, you can use Skype and a headset. But that won't give you SMS.

aren't there mac/win apps that can send/receive sms? i've done it from
web pages before, but i think there are apps that do it directly.

I don't know about Mac or Win apps, but there's at least one for the
iPhone: TextFree. However, it's not available for the iPad.

great app and it runs on the ipad, but his point was using a laptop as
a phone replacement.

Michelle Steiner

2010-09-29 00:45:02 UTC

Post by Michelle Steiner
Sure, you can use Skype and a headset. But that won't give you SMS.

aren't there mac/win apps that can send/receive sms? i've done it from
web pages before, but i think there are apps that do it directly.

I don't know about Mac or Win apps, but there's at least one for the
iPhone: TextFree. However, it's not available for the iPad.

great app and it runs on the ipad,

curious; it's listed in iTunes on my machine as being iPhone and iPod Touch
Only.

Post by nospam
but his point was using a laptop as a phone replacement.

True, but I was going back to the original question.

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2010-09-29 01:07:57 UTC

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Post by Michelle Steiner
curious; it's listed in iTunes on my machine as being iPhone and iPod Touch
Only.

the ipad runs nearly all ipod/iphone apps.

the only ones it doesn't run are the ones that require hardware not
present, such as a camera. iphone apps on an ipad are either tiny or
double-size and blurry.

DevilsPGD

2010-09-29 17:39:29 UTC

Post by nospam
no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

I would, if they included a headset Bluetooth profile. In fact, that
plus background support would make for a much better VoIP phone than the
iPhone.

Personally I'd love to text from my iPad with an external keyboard over
the iPhone, but since I've basically given up on text messaging in
favour of IM, I don't really care too much at this point.

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

nospam

2010-09-29 17:56:34 UTC

Post by nospam
no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

I would, if they included a headset Bluetooth profile. In fact, that
plus background support would make for a much better VoIP phone than the
iPhone.
Personally I'd love to text from my iPad with an external keyboard over
the iPhone, but since I've basically given up on text messaging in
favour of IM, I don't really care too much at this point.

there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

the question is how many more ipads would apple sell if they added sms
capabilities natively. maybe a few, but probably not a whole lot more.
thus, it's not high on the list of 'important features to add.'

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

ipad 3g functionality was announced at the same time as wifi only, with
3g shipping a month later due to fcc approval. actually, both needed
approval, but 3g took longer.

blackberry has clearly stated there is no 3g/4g coming any time soon.
that will come at some point in the future, presumably well after the
'early 2011' vague ship date of the current version, which is already
well into the future, around when the *next* ipad comes out.

Juan I. Cahis

2010-09-29 20:30:22 UTC

Post by nospam
no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

I would, if they included a headset Bluetooth profile. In fact, that
plus background support would make for a much better VoIP phone than the
iPhone.
Personally I'd love to text from my iPad with an external keyboard over
the iPhone, but since I've basically given up on text messaging in
favour of IM, I don't really care too much at this point.

there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

Please, tell me of one that it sends SMS as such, not through an
specific gateway, or sending an special email to an specific server, or
sending it through an specific social network.

I didn't found any one.

Post by nospam
the question is how many more ipads would apple sell if they added sms
capabilities natively. maybe a few, but probably not a whole lot more.
thus, it's not high on the list of 'important features to add.'

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

ipad 3g functionality was announced at the same time as wifi only, with
3g shipping a month later due to fcc approval. actually, both needed
approval, but 3g took longer.
blackberry has clearly stated there is no 3g/4g coming any time soon.
that will come at some point in the future, presumably well after the
'early 2011' vague ship date of the current version, which is already
well into the future, around when the *next* ipad comes out.

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nospam

2010-09-29 20:38:36 UTC

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Post by nospam
there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

Please, tell me of one that it sends SMS as such, not through an
specific gateway, or sending an special email to an specific server, or
sending it through an specific social network.

mentioned previously, textfree unlimited. you even get a real phone
number for texting.

there's also textnow but i haven't used that one. i think they also
offer a phone number.

there are probably others too.

DevilsPGD

2010-09-29 23:43:40 UTC

Post by Michelle Steiner
In article

Post by nospam
there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

Please, tell me of one that it sends SMS as such, not through an
specific gateway, or sending an special email to an specific server, or
sending it through an specific social network.

mentioned previously, textfree unlimited. you even get a real phone
number for texting.
there's also textnow but i haven't used that one. i think they also
offer a phone number.
there are probably others too.

TextNow doesn't give you your own publicly accessible permanent number
though, do they?

From what I understand you either have to initiate a text conversation
with someone, or they have to send a special text with your nick to
start the conversation.

nospam

2010-09-29 23:47:20 UTC

Post by DevilsPGD
TextNow doesn't give you your own publicly accessible permanent number
though, do they?

they say they do. i haven't tried it yet. textfree definitely gives you
a real phone number.

Juan I. Cahis

2010-09-30 02:47:02 UTC

Post by Michelle Steiner
In article

Post by nospam
there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

Please, tell me of one that it sends SMS as such, not through an
specific gateway, or sending an special email to an specific server, or
sending it through an specific social network.

mentioned previously, textfree unlimited. you even get a real phone
number for texting.
there's also textnow but i haven't used that one. i think they also
offer a phone number.
there are probably others too.

Do you mean: "Text Pro Free iTim"? I didn't found any app called texfree
or textnow, at least, allowed to my Country.

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nospam

2010-09-30 02:57:26 UTC

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Post by nospam
there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

Please, tell me of one that it sends SMS as such, not through an
specific gateway, or sending an special email to an specific server, or
sending it through an specific social network.

mentioned previously, textfree unlimited. you even get a real phone
number for texting.
there's also textnow but i haven't used that one. i think they also
offer a phone number.
there are probably others too.

Do you mean: "Text Pro Free iTim"? I didn't found any app called texfree
or textnow, at least, allowed to my Country.

i don't know in what countries it's available, and i would assume the
phone number part is usa only since it uses google voice as the back
end.

<http://textnow.com/>

<http://www.pinger.com/content/home.html>

voice calling coming soon for textfree:
<http://www.cnbc.com/id/39409021>

Juan I. Cahis

2010-09-30 13:47:57 UTC

Post by Michelle Steiner
In article

Post by nospam
there are sms apps that work on the ipad now.

Please, tell me of one that it sends SMS as such, not through an
specific gateway, or sending an special email to an specific
server,
or
sending it through an specific social network.

mentioned previously, textfree unlimited. you even get a real phone
number for texting.
there's also textnow but i haven't used that one. i think they also
offer a phone number.
there are probably others too.

Do you mean: "Text Pro Free iTim"? I didn't found any app called texfree
or textnow, at least, allowed to my Country.

i don't know in what countries it's available, and i would assume the
phone number part is usa only since it uses google voice as the back
end.
<http://textnow.com/>

Yes, the WEB site says: "Available only for USA", how discriminating!!!
:-) :-)

Post by Michelle Steiner
<http://www.pinger.com/content/home.html>
<http://www.cnbc.com/id/39409021>

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DevilsPGD

2010-09-29 23:43:40 UTC

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

ipad 3g functionality was announced at the same time as wifi only, with
3g shipping a month later due to fcc approval. actually, both needed
approval, but 3g took longer.
blackberry has clearly stated there is no 3g/4g coming any time soon.
that will come at some point in the future, presumably well after the
'early 2011' vague ship date of the current version, which is already
well into the future, around when the *next* ipad comes out.

Until we have actual dates, I think it's too soon to speculate on that
sort of availability.

Michelle Steiner

2010-09-30 01:24:41 UTC

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

But the initial reveal said there would be one and approximately when it
would be available.

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2010-09-30 07:16:44 UTC

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Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

But the initial reveal said there would be one and approximately when it
would be available.

True, but RIM has indicated that 3G and 4G tablets will be available,
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=10979

They just haven't announced a date.

nospam

2010-09-30 14:09:56 UTC

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

But the initial reveal said there would be one and approximately when it
would be available.

True, but RIM has indicated that 3G and 4G tablets will be available,
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=10979
They just haven't announced a date.

that's even more vapor than 'early 2011' for the wifi only one.

apple said two months for the wifi and three months for the wifi+3g,
and both of those turned out to be accurate. the wifi one was a week or
so late, but that's about it.

also, apple had actual ipads at the announcement, both on stage and for
reporters to try out. rim had a lot of pretty pictures. rim's ship date
is very speculative.

DevilsPGD

2010-09-30 17:21:38 UTC

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?

Neither did the iPad at initial release.

But the initial reveal said there would be one and approximately when it
would be available.

True, but RIM has indicated that 3G and 4G tablets will be available,
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=10979
They just haven't announced a date.

that's even more vapor than 'early 2011' for the wifi only one.
apple said two months for the wifi and three months for the wifi+3g,
and both of those turned out to be accurate. the wifi one was a week or
so late, but that's about it.
also, apple had actual ipads at the announcement, both on stage and for
reporters to try out. rim had a lot of pretty pictures. rim's ship date
is very speculative.

All true! However, given that all we have is speculation, it's just as
possible that RIM will ship 3G/4G versions a week after the wifi
version.

If software is the delay then the various regulatory certifications
could be finished well in advance of the wifi-only release.

And yes, it's just as possible the 3G version will be 6+ months after
the release, it could happen. However, of all the companies out there
capable of putting together mobile data radios, RIM seems like they'd be
on the list of companies that can pull it off.

Alan Browne

2010-09-29 22:23:49 UTC

Post by Juan I. Cahis
So, why cannot it be used to send and receive SMS in a 3G enabled iPad?
Is it the lack of an specific app the problem?

I think it's the lack of Apple's will to let you use your iPad as a
phone. Also known as "marketing strategy" ;)

Also known as "walled garden".

no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

How do you know? Tear down the wall and let people decide what is
suitable to them.

Post by nospam
the blackberry playbook announced yesterday doesn't even come with 3g
at all, so it can't be used as a phone either, nor get sms messages. is
that a walled garden too?
it's product differentiation, nothing more.

I use my 24" iMac as a phone quite often whether with Skype or gmail
phone s/w.

Let users decide how they want to use their purchased hardware.

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nospam

2010-09-29 22:37:42 UTC

Post by nospam
no, it's the fact that nobody is going to use a 10" tablet as a phone.

How do you know? Tear down the wall and let people decide what is
suitable to them.

common sense, but feel free to do a market survey. i'm not holding my
breath on that one though.

look at the reaction of the dell streak, a 5" phone - too big for a
phone. people don't want giant phones. a few might but that's not
enough to make a mass market product.

I use my 24" iMac as a phone quite often whether with Skype or gmail
phone s/w.

that's great but the vast majority do not.

Post by Alan Browne
Let users decide how they want to use their purchased hardware.

nothing is stopping you from buying something that does what you want.

the question is whether it's worth the effort to design, manufacture
and market a product that may not sell in enough numbers to justify it.

how many people do you realistically think are going to run out and buy
a phone with a 10" screen? seriously. do you think this is a high
demand item?

apple makes stuff *most* people want. if you fall into the group
outside of 'most' then you can buy something *else* that does what you
need.

Alan Browne

2010-09-30 20:52:34 UTC